Selection help for S22 on undergrad business schools

S22 has intention of studying business for undergrad. After the EA results came out, he has lot to think on already. Looking for thoughts from the community on the options that can help inform his choice.

accepted:
IU Kelley (direct): Supply Chain Management BSB
Purdue Krannert: Supply Chain and Operations Management (Lower Division)
UW Madison WSB (Direct): Supply Chain Mgmt BBA
UMN Twin Cities CSOM (Direct): Supply Chain and Operations Management
CU Boulder Leeds (Direct): Management & Entrepreneurship
ASU WP Carey (Direct but no Barrett): Supply Chain Management
Chapman University Argyros (Direct): BA - Business Economics

waiting: UIUC Gies (EA), Lehigh College of Business (RD), USD Knauss, a few in-state UCs and cal poly

We want to get thoughts on the schools regarding on these factors: overall business program, overall academic reputation, academic environment, and career outcomes of school.

(At this point, we are not factoring it based on major of admittance because it may change as he goes through the prerequisites of each program. Also, since COA will be fluid between the schools we haven’t factored it in yet but we will think about once all is known for each school.)

  1. On the admitted list, how would you order or tier them based on the currently considered factors above and why?
  2. Of the 3 other non-UC schools that S22 is waiting for decision, would you put any above the schools in the admitted list if they came with a positive decision and why?

3 way tie between IU Kelley, UW Madison and UMinn Carlson. Visit all three and see which one you like. Carlson has more fortune 500 companies and access to internships. UW Madison is overall better ranked national university. Kelley is a well known business school.

If rankings matter to you then WP Carey is the highest ranked among them for Supply Chain.

If you are doing supply chain hands down ASU. The recruiting is incredible. For 20+ years it’s been the preeminent school in supply chain with Michigan State and UTK right behind. In grad school I had multiple supply chain offers as a marketing student with one supply chain elective. Pepsi. FedEx. Incredible.

Truth is though that the major is hot and you’d do fine from any school on this list.

With the exception of Chapman, all are large. Some are big city. Some are small city. Some are more rural. Some cold. Some hot.

What do you want in a school - that’s where you need to go. Fit…including finances, is what matters here.

Good luck.

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Thoughts on where UIUC Gies would fall above or below this 3-way tie. :slight_smile:

I am not sure if S22 will end up in supply chain so probably want to factor overall business and academic reputation in case mind changes.

Honestly I think you are over analyzing.

They’re all fine schools. IU likely the biggest name but that’s not impactful for 95% of people who will get normal corporate jobs and start their path.

Which school has the best cost and or is he most comfortable at?

He, not the school, will make his future.

Is UIUC top 3 on your list ? Maybe. Maybe not. But it doesn’t matter.

Part of the overanalyzing was to get a feel from community on any concerns to think of on fit. We likely won’t be able to visit them all and wanted to prioritize which ones to see.

for example, UI-Kelley has 2000 freshman where as the others are like 700-800 is one thing we wondered if that would be a negative or positive environment at IU.

UMN, seems to have very few OOS student relative to in-state relative to a more reasonable balance at the other schools being considered. etc.

All are good options. I wouldn’t rate any of them superior to another. Krannert is well respected too. UMN used to offer large merit to OOS students. That stopped a few years ago. That’s probably why not many OOS kids.

At this point I’d look at best fit. Location? City? Rural? Big? Small? Warm? Cold? Kids do better where they’re happy.

I would move direct admit schools to the top of the list. Why worry about getting into your choice?

A school like Kelley probably has 8k undergrads. Is that appealing or would he prefer smaller classes?

Location can be important as well. Are there direct flights or will there be multiple layovers and long bus/Uber drive? With air travel being inconsistent these days it’s something to consider. Maybe not most important factor but could be a tiebreaker.

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Typically OOS correlates to merit. I still see they offer $15K a year but not sure if that’s as readily available as the other year. What my son got.

The big OOS colleges are the Bamas, U of SC, Arizona, Miami of Ohio, etc - the ones with huge merit. Also, and I could be wrong, it’s easier for kids to go cold to warm then warm to cold.

I personally think - short of the elite kids trying to get to elite jobs - people overstate the ranking. People choose colleges for myriad of reasons - cost, location, weather, size, football - you name it.

All really are solid - and you can paralyze yourself with fear based on ranking. On the flipside, a school like IU will have invested in its business school. UMN will have access, right near campus, to tons of jobs.

I personally wouldn’t go to UIUC - just because I think it’s one of the uglier campuses in the country. Others disagree with me. When I went to grad school, UIUC actually flew me in - like a job interview - trying to recruit me. And as the plane approached Urbana/Champaign, it was dreadful. And the campus was dreadful. My son (goes to Bama) but we did a Purdue (he loved the campus) and UIUC visit - and he said without prompt - dad, it’s ugly here. So I personally wouldn’t go there - and they’re losing the best and brightest in Illinois to schools like Bama who give so much merit away - actually articles about it - but that’s just a personal preference. Obviously it’s a wonderful school - the Ilini!!

Boulder - cool town in the mountains - very expensive to live off campus - many go to surrounding towns, etc. Lehigh is neat- much smaller - I loved the tour - but the area you don’ t read too many nice things - and then it will likely cost more - but a great school.

USD is solid for supply chain.

I mean - there’s not a single bad option on your list.

The only bad thing is looking at rank vs. finding what’s right.

It sounds like Kelley concerns you - but you might compare faculty sizes - it’s likely largest… Or find out class sizes from them. Some high ranked schools - you didn’t apply - but Florida, for example, their first year classes are online - even b4 covid - and that bugs people. So there are little nuances.

With this list, to me, weather would be the concern - is your son ok with freezing? If not, you can eliminate all but ASU, Chapman, your in-states and maybe Indiana - cold but warmer than the rest.

Then size - these schools are gargantuan.

After that - where’s he feel great. My son loved Purdue even though he turned them down for Bama - didn’t like the housing shortage at Purdue (check into that) whereas he got his own dorm room at Bama. So you never know why kids choose. Most like Indiana’s campus way more than Purdue - but not my kid - so everyone is different. UMN is big city, etc.

Anyway - food for thought - but take the virtual tours and all the other things and it does sound like COA will matter to you - so that’s going to shed light anyway. Are you going to go to San Diego at $75K or Lehigh at $75K when ASU is maybe $40K, etc. - that type of stuff.

OK- good luck - but don’t get into paralysis by analysis. You will find outcomes similar and #s skewed by where the schools are. For example, I chose ASU (#40 at the time) for my MBA whereas IU was #6 at the time - lower now. But IUs salaries were only $2K higher and they were placing mainly in Chicago which was a higher cost of living than ASU who was placing in Arizona at the time (more regional than today)…yep, I’ve done the paralysis by analysis. And honestly, I hadn’t a clue what supply chain was at the time.

Truth is, I’d have been fine anywhere - and as it turns out, I hate the cold :slight_smile:

Good luck.

Interesting read to see how others think

Growing brain drain: University of Alabama’s gain in drawing Illinois students is a loss for Illinois - Chicago Tribune

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If there is a high chance of changing majors then pick a school that is good in most majors like UW,Madison, Purdue and UIUC. If you are sure about business then most of these schools have finance, supply chain, marketing and so on, then it does not matter.

Another thing to compare is where they initially place the students. UIUC, Purdue would place in the mid west(chicago) and so on … You can always work your way to the location you desire eventually and not sure if this is a big factor.

By the way my son has admissions to the same universities, PM me so we can be in touch if you are interested.

At the end of the day it is the kids deciding. Most of the son’s friends are targeting UC/Cal States so I would not be surprised if he chose a UCs/Cal State and declined this entire list.

Is Illinois your instate flagship?or are you OOS for that one.

You have a lot of public universities (all good ones) on your list. Just wondering if convenience to home, or whatever is important to your family.

All great info. On the OOS question, All schools so far admitted to are OOS except the private Chapman, instate is CA which most of decisions will happen in March but only a select few have business option and would likely study economics. Convenience to home is important but S22 has family in midwest that gives comfort to send away and there are such good programs in there.

For the Big Ten schools, most of your criteria is going to be indistinguishable between schools. The differences are IU is going to be more Greek with a high concentration of Business majors. Perdue is going to have more wanna be engineers walking around. UMinn is more urban. Wisconsin has the best mascot. UIUC you will learn about yellow dent corn.

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updates 2-25: UIUC denied. visited IU, UMN, and UW. post trip UMN and UW-madison are top choices so far.

accepted:
IU Kelley (direct): Supply Chain Management BSB
Purdue Krannert: Supply Chain and Operations Management (Lower Division)
UW Madison WSB (Direct): Supply Chain Mgmt BBA
UMN Twin Cities CSOM (Direct): Supply Chain and Operations Management
CU Boulder Leeds (Direct): Management & Entrepreneurship
ASU WP Carey (Direct but no Barrett): Supply Chain Management
Chapman University Argyros (Direct): BA - Business Economics

waiting: Lehigh College of Business (RD), USD Knauss, a few in-state UCs and cal poly

denied: UIUC Gies EA

That’s great. So you have a top 2. Do you lean one way on the ‘top 2.

USD is tiny relative as is Lehigh. So could you eliminate them from contention now?

Then how do you feel about staying west vs moving to another part of the country ?

You could start whittling the list in your mind if you can answer those questions.

You can make flash cards for each school. Write the name of the school on a card

Then put Wisconsin and choose a CA school. Who wins ?

If Wisconsin wins on all then you know it’s a finalist.

Then do the same with the Minnesota card.

If a CA school wins… then you’ll have your answer if you get in :slight_smile:

Keep us updated

In the war of the mascots, Bucky >> Goldy

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UMN has Ski U Mah

Does Wisconsin have anything ??

[Update 20-Apr]

accepted:
IU Kelley (direct): Supply Chain Management BSB
Purdue Krannert: Supply Chain and Operations Management (Lower Division)
UW Madison WSB (Direct): Supply Chain Mgmt BBA
UMN Twin Cities CSOM (Direct): Supply Chain and Operations Management
CU Boulder Leeds (Direct): Management & Entrepreneurship
ASU WP Carey (Direct but no Barrett): Supply Chain Management
Chapman University Argyros (Direct): BA - Business Economics
USD Knauss (Direct): BBA - Supply Chain Management

Waitlist: UMich, Cal Poly SLO, Lehigh (declined the offer)

Rejected: UCLA, UCB, UCD, UCSD, UCSB, UCI

DECISION: S decided on UW-Madison (OOS from CA)

Appreciate all the people that weighed in above for their time and consideration.

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