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<p>It will not help for transferring.</p>
<p>Agreed, the LSAT will not hold weight for undergrad transfers.</p>
<p>so whould there really be areason for waiting or might it hurt to apply twice. still not sure what the answer is</p>
<p>I'm not sure what you should do, but I don't beleive that applying twice will hurt you - unless, of course, the application you send in now is a massacre. </p>
<p>From your high school records, I think that you would stand a better chance applying next year if you can raise your GPA.</p>
<p>yah, i mean if i didnt get in this year i would definitely apply next</p>
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might it hurt to apply twice.
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<p>Applying twice, in my opinion, never hurts.</p>
<p>NOt that it matters much, but I really don't think sending the LSAT score would hurt. It shows the student is dedicated to the idea of pursuing law. It also shows they could likely be successful at it. Sure, admissions committees care more that students will add to their current community, but having talents that don't affect others as much never hurt. Scoring a perfect on the LSAT is no worse than being part of a national honors society or something...</p>
<p>oh if i did score it i would definitely send it in, just wondering if it had happened previously with someone</p>
<p>Was it an "official" practice test? B/c some practice books don't do tests exactly like the real thing.</p>
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but I really don't think sending the LSAT score would hurt.
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<p>Yes, but it would not help. </p>
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It shows the student is dedicated to the idea of pursuing law.
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<p>Which is not the best idea for schools that eschew preprofessionalism.</p>
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It also shows they could likely be successful at it.
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<p>He is transferring to an undergraduate school, not one that is evaluating students as potential lawyers.</p>
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Scoring a perfect on the LSAT is no worse than being part of a national honors society or something...
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<p>The lack of importance of the LSAT has nothing to do with its contribution to a college atmosphere; the LSAT is simply not relevant to undergraduate studies, even logicians.</p>
<p>Fine, I know how to settle this, he could email a couple of adcoms and ask them if it would be helpful to submit a very high LSAT score -because I get the distinct impression both of us are just speculating... Although, I must add that no school in it's right mind looks down on lawyers who would go to a top lawschool. You have to be intellectual to be successful at a top lawschool, and many lawyers are idealistic and not just money-grubbing. The more Harvard law graduates an undergrad institution can claim, the better as far as its admin is concerned.</p>
<p>the type or practice test is irrelevant all i was saying was that i could score pretty highly. </p>
<p>as for lsat importance, i was thinking that it might help to show that i could get into a good law school and help their #s. and yah its just naother factor</p>
<p>it seriously will not affect anything - and I doubt the adcoms will say otherwise. Once they start looking at LSAT scores, next people will be taking the MCAT in high school just to boost their chances for admission. </p>
<p>If you had taken the exam, I'd say it might be a different story. But I seriously would not sit for the exam now in hopes for admission to college.</p>
<p>Well, I don't think the kind of practice test is irrelevent as I know from non-college board SAT practice tests they aren't always good indicators of how you'll actually score... I think we should all place bets and OP should talk to adcoms and come back.</p>
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Although, I must add that no school in it's right mind looks down on lawyers who would go to a top lawschool.
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<p>It does on students who conceive of education as a means to an end, namely law school.</p>
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You have to be intellectual to be successful at a top lawschool
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<p>Okay.</p>
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and many lawyers are idealistic and not just money-grubbing.
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<p>That is excellent!</p>
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The more Harvard law graduates an undergrad institution can claim, the better as far as its admin is concerned.
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<p>With a 3.63, the OP is not getting into Harvard Law, and a 180 will not help in that regard. </p>
<p>Also, for top-ranking undergraduate schools, admins could not care less whether they send one or two less students to Harvard Law.</p>
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the type or practice test is irrelevant all i was saying was that i could score pretty highly.
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<p>They are relevant. Some tests published by some companies are easier or harder than the actual tests administered by the LSAC.</p>
<p>Actually, the minimum typical undergrad GPA of Harvard Law students and students from the top-12ish law schools is 3.5ish, so I do not know how you can say the OP is for sure not getting in. Secondly, I think top colleges love students who see education as a tool to affect the real world, instead of just being interested in navel-gazing. Spending 40K a year to learn for the sake of learning without ambition to do something with that learning smacks of privilige and egocentricity to me. Many of our politicians went to law school, and much as they can be criticized, they fulfill a crucial leadership roll in our society and I've never seen a college neglect to brag about an alum who became congressman, or went on to work on international human rights law, or some such thing...</p>
<p>I am not saying a perfect LSAT score alone would give the OP more of an edge in admissions than some candidate who fulfilled important campus leadership positions, I just think it helps bolster his personality as being a very intelligent person with drive to become a successful lawyer. And if he's done interesting things on campus on top of that, so much the better for him.</p>
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Actually, the minimum typical undergrad GPA of Harvard Law students and students from the top-12ish law schools is 3.5ish, so I do not know how you can say the OP is for sure not getting in.
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<p>Really?</p>
<p>Edit: And no, there is no possible world in which 3.81 is equivalent to 3.5, so do not even try to show that it is alethic.</p>
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<p>Ah, intellectualism at its finest...</p>
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Spending 40K a year to learn for the sake of learning without ambition to do something with that learning smacks of privilige and egocentricity to me.
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<p>Ambition and enjoying learning are not mutually exclusive properties; though, I suppose wanting to become an attorney rids one of the 'privilege' and 'egocentricity.'</p>
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<p>Which many applicants can do without an LSAT.</p>
<p>Do you understand the word "minimum"? From Harvard law site: "GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.92 / 3.68"</p>
<p>-<a href="http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/body.php">http://www.law.harvard.edu/admissions/jd/body.php</a></p>
<p>And why are you arguing the LSAT thing, btw? Are you thinking sending an LSAT score would be a turn-off to adcom?</p>
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Do you understand the word "minimum"? From Harvard law site: "GPA 75th / 25th percentiles: 3.92 / 3.68"
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<p>Minimums only tell one side of the story; as your GPA gets lower, so do your chances of acceptance. Staying at the minimum of any GPA requirement is never advisable.</p>
<p>A minimum of a 3.2 is required to be considered as transfer for Rice, but that it no way guarantees acceptance. If the stats of Yale students applying to Harvard Law School are any indicator, anything below a 3.75 is stretching one's chances significantly.</p>
<p>wow never mind this didnt really do any good, since it was about transferring and NOT law school. thanks anyways, and if anyone has transfer chacne sor so let me know</p>