<p>i had to apply international coz i havent received my green card yet (though i've lived in NY for almost 3 years).</p>
<p>i got rejected, and a kid from my class was accepted.
the stats:</p>
<p>me/him
rank: 2nd/36th
SAT1: 1530/1380
SATII: 800,790,800/800,720,-
APs: 5,5,5/5,5
clubs: 4 pres./1 v.p.
competitions: 1 national/-</p>
<p>so basically i was rejected because my green card is late?
goddamn al-qaida, without 9/11 this would never have happened.</p>
<p>You cannot explain any decision. You cannot compare. I am tempted to say - "shut up and eat your mush"</p>
<p>:(</p>
<p>agreed with mercury - you can't really compare stats. I was accepted, yet some brilliantly genius kid was waitlisted at my school. College admissions is a tricky game, sorry about the rejection, but dont blame terrorism for it...</p>
<p>And your ethnicities? How much your parents make? How your essays were? Your rec letters? Your interviews?</p>
<p>You know, "president of Anime Club", or even "president of NHS", is tiny. Admissions don't care. I looked at my E3 card, and out of all the awards/offices I received/held in high school, the only thing they noted down was that I started a math team. President of the student body? Who cares. 3rd in state? 4th in the nation? Not good enough. I competed in four areas nationally - not a single one was marked down. Maybe he's unique in an area you don't know about. Maybe there was something in his essay that just made him a much better candidate than you. Who knows.</p>
<p>Seeing as you applied to MIT, you must know science. Therefore, you ought to know that the only way to compare is if you've eliminated ALL other variables. Given that you've only listed resume information that could fit onto one sheet of paper that no one really cares about, you clearly don't know enough of anything to automatically assume that your lack of citizenship is why you were rejected. It's one variable. It might have influenced it. It's probably not the only one.</p>
<p>Get over it. You're a foreigner applying to an American school--what do you expect?</p>
<p>um --- the domestic/international discrepancy is part of the game; if you want to get in international you need high-caliber international awards...</p>
<p>all you posters are missing the point. It is definitely true that the fact of his green card being late made it impossible for him to be accepted. If I were him I would have tried to appeal to apply domestic or something.</p>
<p>Assuming that both you and the other kid applied domestic, it is still impossible to compare the two cases, you might have still been rejected and him accepted.</p>
<p>well, but still, applying as an intl probably didn't help his chances, whatever his chances might be...
davidn08- don't worry, i've been in the country for 5 yrs and my family's green card was approved last week, a fews days after mit decisions were mailed out, so basically it's too late for college admissions. And since i applied for aid, my chances at other colleges would have been much, much better if i've gotten the green card earlier.
Still, i'm not complaining. The fact that we, as intls, had the guts to apply to mit, knowing how hard it is, shows that we have enough courage and strength to succeed later in life...</p>
<p>Since when does it take guts to apply to a school?</p>
<p>You guys overdramatize the whole process.</p>
<p>um, i'm certainly not willing to waste money and energy and recs on any random school out there...</p>
<p>But does it take guts? No.</p>
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Since when does it take guts to apply to a school?
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Of course it does, especially when everyone laughs at the mention of the fact that you applied to MIT. Especially when you believe in your strengths but must prepare yourself for the failure. Especially when your parents, teachers and friends discourage you, espcially when YOU are reponsible for every single part of the process, when you have to make some heavy hue and cry to get recommendations out of your teachers and when you practically write your own school report because the school does not want to.</p>
<p>If it weren't so, MIT would not have a 10,500-strong applicant pool; it would have 100,000. Look at the Indian Institutes of Technology. They have ~3500 places, but their application form is equivalent to MIT's part 1 and nothing else. As a result, roughly 250,000 students end up applying (hey, all it takes is filling in your name, dad's name and your address).</p>
<p>Which makes me wonder - did you not put in a lot of effort in your app?</p>
<p>Oh I see. so all it takes is a few minutes and a click of the mouse. No risks involved, it's all good...</p>
<p>i second that people overdramatize the whole process, if you get rejected its not the end of your life(given you applied to a backup), there's nothing to lose but time and a bit of money. If an MIT admissions officer came and castrated you for being rejected then I would agree with it taking guts to apply.</p>
<p>Thanks mercurysquad, that's exactly my point
Sorry about my earlier sarcasm...</p>
<p>Granted, it is a lot harder for international students to get in. I thought there was a section where you got to explain any extenuating circumstances, such as a late green card, or one expected to arrive before enrollment. Maybe I've just been out of the application process too long.</p>
<p>As far as guts, it takes just as much guts as anyone else. Just because I applied domestic doesn't mean I automatically would get in, nor that suddenly the application process became easy. Moreover, there's this thing called a reach/dream school. Maybe other nations don't look at it the same way, but I know almost all, if not all, American high schools will tell you to at least try, so you at least know. What do you want, a plaque that says "I was brave enough to apply to MIT"? Yes, it takes time, resources, etc. But if you're not willing to go through that, no one's forcing you.
And seriously, what college application are you NOT responsible for every aspect of?</p>
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Of course it does, especially when everyone laughs at the mention of the fact that you applied to MIT. Especially when you believe in your strengths but must prepare yourself for the failure. Especially when your parents, teachers and friends discourage you, espcially when YOU are reponsible for every single part of the process, when you have to make some heavy hue and cry to get recommendations out of your teachers and when you practically write your own school report because the school does not want to.</p>
<p>If it weren't so, MIT would not have a 10,500-strong applicant pool; it would have 100,000. Look at the Indian Institutes of Technology. They have ~3500 places, but their application form is equivalent to MIT's part 1 and nothing else. As a result, roughly 250,000 students end up applying (hey, all it takes is filling in your name, dad's name and your address).</p>
<p>Which makes me wonder - did you not put in a lot of effort in your app?
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<p>Oh. I see where you are coming from.</p>
<p>And no, not really. I didn't put a lot of effort in my app, but still expected to get in. Seeing the MIT EA admit from my school and getting into my EA school sort of skewed my perspectives about my chances at MIT.</p>
<p>Having an admissions officer come and castrate you...oh man, then that would be relaly intense</p>
<p>HH05, that's great that you expected to get in, but some (or should I say most) people have to put in an incredibly large amount of labour to even be able to apply. Trust me, it's not an easy process.</p>
<p>And the logistics of it apart, applying to such a high calibre school means 95% chance of getting rejected (intl). Does it not take courage to apply despite being aware of it? I mean who wants to apply "for the heck of it" ?</p>
<p>Why? What do you have to lose? Yes, you're trying. Yay. Like I said, what do you want, a medal of honor? As aforementioned, if they were going to come and maim you, or if you would be forever shamed in your home for doing so, then sure, maybe it did take courage. Yes, it took time, money, work. What thing worth having doesn't?
There are people that apply for the heck of it - it's the only reason I applied to Harvard, was to see if I could get in. Dumb reason to apply? Probably. So? I'd do it again if I had to go through the process again.</p>
<p>OK. Agree with you. I got no arguments for those.</p>