<p>I agree with you, Sally305.</p>
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<p>thx</p>
<p>Thanks to all. I am optimistic that we can help the school. It takes great thinkers to make great leaders. As I tell my '14, our generation has done enough damage, hopefully your generation will come up with better solutions. I thought President Kim was an inspirational leader during his too short tenure (per sybbie719, no flames please!) and I anxiously await President Hanlonās leadership. Happy Memorial Day. Pray for peace.</p>
<p>^^Well I concur that Kim had a lot of positives, he punted the ball completely on the greek-alcohol issue: his solution was a group hug and a study performed by the Greeks themselves ā kumbaya?</p>
<p>Yeah, I get that as a health educator by profession, his first reaction is education. But since these kids have sat in anti-drug/anti-drinking programs since 2nd grade (DARE), the time for education is long past. Time for a kick in the pants and holding folks responsible.</p>
<p>I will share the high hopes for President Hanlon. I was very disappointed in President Kim (but Iām not interested in derailing this thread to discuss a closed issue ā the past is what it is).</p>
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<p>When I read your earlier post coureur, by initial reaction was to agree. But the more that I think about it, Iām thinking that maybe the public embarrassment resulting from going to the press may be just what the Prez needs to be able to take (punitive?) action to positively reform the Greek system. </p>
<p>Wright tried, but failed to garner much support; indeed, just the opposite, particularly from alums. Perhaps a public shaming of the College will get others to see the damage being done and change their pov.</p>
<p>I really think that lawsuits and massive bad press are all that will get Dartmouth to get its act together.</p>
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<p>Well I agree that shaming in the press and public embarrassment can indeed be a powerful tool for correcting the bad behavior of any racist, homophobic, or misogynistic Dartmouth students. But the protests and public exposure should aimed at those actually doing the misconduct and not the school as a whole. Why the need to destroy all the great things about the place in order to fix the things that are wrong?</p>
<p>I agree with this:</p>
<p>[The</a> Little Green Blog: The Dimensions Protest I wish I?d seen](<a href=āhttp://thelittlegreenblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-dimensions-protest-i-wish-id-seen.html]Theā>http://thelittlegreenblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-dimensions-protest-i-wish-id-seen.html)</p>
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<p>"Sick of the racism on Webster? Find a tree. Hang a noose on it for every time a member in your community has been called a racial slur. Host lectures the next day explaining how hate speech perpetuates the same attitudes and discrimination of the Jim Crow era.</p>
<p>Or say thereās an organization objectifying women like pieces of meat? Go into their basement and dump one bag of rotten offal for every incident you can catalogue. Sure this involves going into the lionās den, but courage is something these women do not lack.</p>
<p>But for the love of god, stop doing stuff where the victim is Dartmouth, the student, or the prospective student. It was not long ago that ROTC members, eager to serve their country when so many others would rather spend college in a stupor, were spit on in protest of āDonāt Ask Donāt Tellā. The irony was that those ROTC kids had nothing to do with the policy. The rule was forced upon their organization by those very protestersā bigoted Congressman.</p>
<p>Letās put the hate were it belongs. Likely somewhere near Webster Ave."</p>
<p>The problems are structural and systemic, and they need institution-based solutions.</p>
<p>Disagree. Lawsuits and bad press do nothing to stop students from being racist and committing crimes such as sexual assault. Prosecution and expulsion would be a good start. Dartmouth is a victim here too for admitting students who are less than ideal citizens. I would let President Hanlon do his job.</p>
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<p>The answer is that the Administration needs support to make the systemic changes. Dumping a bag of manure in a frat basement is just āannoyingā and will have little positive result. The boys will clean it up ā or not ā and the next drunken soiree will start on time. Itās those that need to stop. And the only way for them to decline, is by harsh action by the Admin. For that, the Prez will need a LOT of external support. Perhaps the bad press will give him cover.</p>
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<p>Agreed, but that will not happen without strong external support. The alums will go ballistic if Hanlon starts expelling major segments of the frats. (And it will only result in law suits by the parents of the expelled kids.) So, before going down that road, the educational institution HAS to have an agreed-upon, written policy, with penalties. And no Prez yet has tackled that aspect of life.</p>
<p>Dartmouth is not in any way a victim.</p>
<p>It has let these problems fester for generations.</p>
<p>And its admissions office should be able to do a better job admiting kids with personal decency and moral imagination.</p>
<p>āIn 2009, [Jon] Appleton retired from Dartmouth expressing discontent with the increasingly elitist nature of the student body.ā</p>
<p>2nd to last paragraph from the bottom:</p>
<p>[Jon</a> Appleton | Composer](<a href=āhttp://www.appletonjon.com/biography.htm]Jonā>http://www.appletonjon.com/biography.htm)</p>
<p>I read the article, and it looks like Jon Appleton focused on the graduate program at Dartmouth, not undergraduate. Either way, I was really happy (for about an hour) that this thread was taking a positive turn. NOT. DA, for as many negative articles that you post, I could post positive ones. Iām not going to do that. Itās petty and does not achieve anything. There are positive articles and negative articles on every single school out there. One personās opinion is not fact, itās just that, one personās opinion. Still valid, yes, of course. But there are just as many people who would have an opposing view. Pulling every negative article achieves absolutely nothing. It just proves subjectivity.</p>
<p>āHis faith in American undergraduate education was restored when he taught at the University of California, Santa Cruz where a diverse and largely engaged student body made a serious effort to understand the musical arts.ā</p>
<p>I had a literature professor echo Appletonās sentiments, saying he wouldnāt send his own kids to Dartmouth because the variety of students on campus was too narrow to provide a stimulating social environment.</p>
<p>I think that we are going in circles with this thread and there has been nothing new added to this discussion. Thank you all for your participation, but the thread is no longer contributing anything productive and is being closed.</p>