<p>Rejected ***** (Obviously)</p>
<p>SAT: 1580/2250 (800 CR, 780 M, 670 W)
93.7 Avg.
Nasty peer evaluation, decent recs, pretty good essay
Prolly average EC’s for applicants</p>
<p>I didn’t get an interview which pretty much nailed the coffin shut</p>
<p>wow these results are really making me nervous for RD! charlie–I’m sure you are a great person, extremely intelligent, and deserving of Dartmouth, but when it comes down to it, they can only take so many people. However, if you look at your numbers, they are not that strong–try plugging them into the AI calculator and you might find an explanation. Unfortunately if you are in a small class and you are ranked, it even hurts the top few, even though they would likely be ranked even higher at a less competitive school with more students and easier classes. If you are an 8 or 9 you seem to need a somewhat significant ec and a bit of luck (sherlock obviously didn’t have such luck…that sucks). With a 7 you need more luck and better ecs beyond the high school level, with a 6, 5 it continues, but with a 4 or below, especially this year, you need something amazing to put you over the edge.
As for your comments about lower income & urms gaining an advantage, I have to disagree. It takes a lot to overcome the challenges they face. To even be a solid applicant at a school like dartmouth shows they have a lot of perseverance. Maybe you have this too, and didn’t get the chance to show it, but that doesn’t mean you should undermine their accomplishments. Moreover, they absolutely add to the campus. Some of the most influential people in my life include a Venezuelan friend(wealthy, but under the international category & has had some very interesting experiences), a foster child, and girl i tutor from a very poor area of Mass. Their experiences would absolutely add to the experience of students on campus, to say the least. No, their SAT scores might not be as high as the average applicant (or they might be much higher), but they also didn’t pay for tutoring, maybe not even a book. They also might not be able to pay for wonderful summer programs. Is that their fault? Is it your that you could pay for summer programs? no, but the adcom never turned someone down because they could.
Anyway, I hope I cleared up your concerns without rubbing salt on a wound. Best of luck with Middlebury!</p>
<p>Charlie… </p>
<p>While I do get what you are saying, and in some ways you are correct. EXCEPT… we’ve got probably another generation to go before no box for race might seem reasonable. There is a reason that Obama becoming President was such a huge deal. White people have been given opportunities for no other reason than the color of their skin since the founding of this country and long before. And while your generation is more color-blind than any that have come before you, and that is HUGELY wonderful, we still have a long way to go for real equality in terms of opportunity in this country.</p>
<p>OneKingOneLife, </p>
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<p>That’s not a racist remark, that’s called Affirmative Action. </p>
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<p>You can argue that, however note that Affirmative Action does not apply to all minorities. </p>
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<p>There is a different in decrying AA and being a racist. Additionally I do not believe Charlie was directing it specifically at AA, but also at other hook advantages such as recruited athletes and legacies. </p>
<p>Perhaps his argument was out of frustration but you calling people racist is just out of line.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that just because you check a box for african america, caucasian, asian, hispanic, etc… that does not define you. You could have had the worst life or the best life with either box, the most money or the least with either box. The box means nothing but colleges treat it like gold. And my GPA there is UW and class rank is unreported.</p>
<p>couldn’t have said it better ehoss</p>
<p>colleges don’t just accept minorities for their quotas (god I hope not)</p>
<p>having minorities and a more diverse class adds to the ‘learning experience’ in college, being exposed to other cultures, beliefs, ideas</p>
<p>and I personally don’t think colleges ‘just’ accept applicants because they check off the hispanic box. I think you have to show HOW being hispanic/black/native adds to their school through your essays, ECs, etc.</p>
<p>and who actually ‘wants’ to go to a college without a diverse student body?
gosh that defeats the whole purpose a 'college experience</p>
<p>Accepted- 1ofeach’s S- 2200; 3.9UW (Legacy)
Accepted- bahrain321- 34; 4.05 (Legacy)
Accepted- Chief56- 2130; 3.97 (Native American)
Accepted- Cotee- 2210; 3.94 (Native American/First Gen)
Accepted- Jbl4891- 2160; 3.9W (First Gen.)
Accepted- JLaw45- 2090; 99.2 (URM/Athlete)
Accepted- linam111- 1850; 4.0W (Hispanic)
Accepted- mamcbrides S- 2200/35; 4.04W
Accepted- Scotchtape- 2270; 3.8
Accepted- superscs15- 2160/34; 3.94
Accepted- Tstarr31113- 2250; 4.17W
Accepted- twinkletoes747- 2150; 4.0</p>
<p>Deferred- Admissionss D- 2200; N/A
Deferred- Bananafish9- 2200; 4.4 out of 4.5
Deferred- chigirl25- 34; 4.55W
Deferred- colinization- 2200; 4.08 out of 4.33 UW
Deferred- hellogoodbye5015- 2260; ??? (international-India)
Deferred- Jcll2002s Bro- 2220; 3.74
Deferred- pinkpineapple- 2350; 3.8UW
Deferred- richmondb9- 2340; 3.74
Deferred- Sherlock1016- 2240/35; 96%
Deferred- spdeer7- 2330; 3.86 (First Gen.)
Deferred- tsalz15- 2270; 4.46W (Hispanic)
Deferred- spideyunlimited- 2300; ??? (international - India)</p>
<p>Rejected- charlie135- 2030; 3.85
Rejected- cpeltz friend- 2340/35; 3.9
Rejected- EliCash91- 2310; 3.8
Rejected- irugee- 2050; 3.7
Rejected- Modadunns S- 2180/34; 3.75
Rejected- TheBlackLantern- 2100; ???</p>
<p>yea as hcvops said, it’s not the checked box that gets a minority in. If they are financially disadvantaged, that would come out for someone of any race through the parents’ jobs, 1st generation, and possibly elsewhere. If their ethnic background will be a meaningful addition to the college’s culture, that should also come out through essays, cultural ecs, etc.
Also, you have given two different gpas: 3.85 and 89%. 3.85 is in D’s range, but probably not this year with your sat scores. 89%=3.56 on a 4.0 scale and that is out of range. Either way, I generously gave you 750 satIIs, so your AI is a 5 or a 6, which means you have to have some stellar ECs. As I saw, you are a volunteer firefighter & EMT. This is a great activity & very commendable. However, I don’t think it is as unique as you think(I have a couple of friends who do this as well) and it doesn’t show great passion intellectually.</p>
<p>deferred
33 ACT, 3.51 gpa, 740 lit, no hook</p>
<p>son was deferred
2240, 3.76 uw, legacy</p>
<p>accepted
SAT: 2290</p>
<p>Trying to look for rhyme or reason by looking at the numbers is silly. The numbers clearly only make sense if you’re sitting around the adcom table.</p>
<p>The list of who has an ‘advantage’ is endless. It’s about supply and demand and the desire to create a well rounded community. </p>
<p>So a kid from Alaska has an ‘advantage’ over one from NY and a kid from Vietnam is more in demand than one from Korea. Violinists are a dime a dozen and tuba players get that advantage. It goes on and on.</p>
<p>All of the hypotheses have been thrown around for years. It’s about the essay, no, it’s the peer recs! They only care about numbers! </p>
<p>Simply, it’s about creating a community, about luck, about a single sentence reaching someone whether it’s in your essay or a rec, about whether you meet an institutional need or made someone laugh. As we can all see, most applicants are qualified so it’s the soft factors.</p>
<p>You will see this again in life. I got to hire 6 of 40 very qualified college grads this year and since they all had the numbers it simply came down to unquantifiable things.</p>
<p>this is so random… I see no correlation what so ever… I’m starting to suspect they picked names out of a hat after filtering out those with hooks.</p>
<p>But for those who weren’t accepted, I just want to say your stats look amazing, and I’m sure you’ll all end up in really good schools. =]</p>
<p>hmom, I compiled it to basically show everybody that the stats are not so important as long as you pass a certain threshold.</p>
<p>I was surprised about the seemingly NEGATIVE correlation between SAT and acceptance rate though.</p>
<p>I think we have finally come to the official death of the rumor (considering how widely shocked people are about our results) that Dartmouth cares mainly about high SATs. (A rumor which most likely came about when people saw that Dartmouth had the highest SATs outside HYP, and without realizing that Dartmouth is actually just that selective.)</p>
<p>Accepted- 1ofeach’s S- 2200; 3.9UW (Legacy)
Accepted- bahrain321- 34; 4.05 (Legacy)
Accepted- Chief56- 2130; 3.97 (Native American)
Accepted- Cotee- 2210; 3.94 (Native American/First Gen)
Accepted- Jbl4891- 2160; 3.9W (First Gen.)
Accepted- JLaw45- 2090; 99.2 (URM/Athlete)
Accepted- linam111- 1850; 4.0W (Hispanic)
Accepted- mamcbride’s S- 2200/35; 4.04W
Accepted- Scotchtape- 2270; 3.8
Accepted- superscs15- 2160/34; 3.94
Accepted- Tstarr31113- 2250; 4.17W
Accepted- twinkletoes747- 2150; 4.0
Accepted- sparklicious - 2290; ???</p>
<p>Deferred- Admissions’s D- 2200; N/A
Deferred- Bananafish9- 2200; 4.4 out of 4.5
Deferred- chigirl25- 34; 4.55W
Deferred- colinization- 2200; 4.08 out of 4.33 UW
Deferred- hellogoodbye5015- 2260; ??? (international-India)
Deferred- Jcll2002’s Bro- 2220; 3.74
Deferred- pinkpineapple- 2350; 3.8UW
Deferred- richmondb9- 2340; 3.74
Deferred- Sherlock1016- 2240/35; 96%
Deferred- spdeer7- 2330; 3.86 (First Gen.)
Deferred- tsalz15- 2270; 4.46W (Hispanic)
Deferred- spideyunlimited- 2300; ??? (international - India)
Deferred- sunny2- 2240; 3.76UW (legacy)
Deferred- caronant- 33; 3.51</p>
<p>Rejected- charlie135- 2030; 3.85
Rejected- cpeltz friend- 2340/35; 3.9
Rejected- EliCash91- 2310; 3.8
Rejected- irugee- 2050; 3.7
Rejected- Modadunn’s S- 2180/34; 3.75
Rejected- TheBlackLantern- 2100; ???</p>
<p>Accepted - 13/33 = 39.39%
Deferred - 14/33 = 42.42%
Rejected - 6/33 = 18.18%</p>
<p>It’s going to be really hard for all of us who have been deferred…
:(</p>
<p>I was deferred with a 3.6 UW + 33 ACT + Hispanic</p>
<p>Oh man, hellogoodbye, agreed. I just spent 300 dollars sending my scores everywhere, now am flying to Chicago/Ohio over winter break, and still have five supplements to complete. Deferral is expensive.</p>
<p>I also don’t really see the point of it–deferral, that is–considering that hardly anyone is accepted afterwards. There are a few, sure, but not enough to make the practice sensical. At least not at Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Also, I got a 34 on my ACT as well, but we all know that didn’t make much of a difference 
haha. Congratulations to all that were accepted! You guys are going to have an incredible four years. And to my fellow deferees and the rejectees, hopefully we’ll end up at great schools! My view was a bit tarnished last night when my father realized that his alma mater (and my second choice), Columbia, now has an 8% acceptance rate and isn’t exactly a lock for regular despite my legacy and fairly prestigious internship in one of their departments this summer. His subsequent freak-out would’ve been funny if I hadn’t already been upset, haha. This year looks as though it’s going to be a bloodbath, but I think we’ll be okay.</p>
<p>Not very important, but I was a legacy </p>
<p>(updated to include most recent posts as well)</p>
<p>Accepted- 1ofeach’s S- 2200; 3.9UW (Legacy)
Accepted- Akitaabby- 2350: 4.4W
Accepted- bahrain321- 34; 4.05 (Legacy)
Accepted- Chief56- 2130; 3.97 (Native American)
Accepted- Cotee- 2210; 3.94 (Native American/First Gen)
Accepted- Jbl4891- 2160; 3.9W (First Gen.)
Accepted- JLaw45- 2090; 99.2 (URM/Athlete)
Accepted- JionCalliope- 2110; 4.33W
Accepted- linam111- 1850; 4.0W (Hispanic)
Accepted- mamcbride’s S- 2200/35; 4.04W
Accepted- 'Nique’s Sister- 2310; 4.29 (Sibling @ Dartmouth)
Accepted- Scotchtape- 2270; 3.8W
Accepted- superscs15- 2160/34; 3.94
Accepted- Tstarr31113- 2250; 4.17W
Accepted- twinkletoes747- 2150; 4.0</p>
<p>Deferred- Admissions’s D- 2200; N/A
Deferred- Bananafish9- 2200; 4.4 out of 4.5
Deferred- chigirl25- 34; 4.55W
Deferred- colinization- 2200; 4.08 out of 4.33 UW
Deferred- hellogoodbye5015- 2260; ??? (international-India)
Deferred- Jcll2002’s Bro- 2220; 3.74
Deferred- pinkpineapple- 2350; 3.8UW
Deferred- redfishbluefish- 2230; 4.2W
Deferred- richmondb9- 2340; 3.74
Deferred- Sherlock1016- 2240/35; 4.2W (legacy)
Deferred- spdeer7- 2330; 3.86 (First Gen.)
Deferred- tsalz15- 2270; 4.46W (Hispanic)</p>
<p>Rejected- charlie135- 2030; 3.85
Rejected- cpeltz friend- 2340/35; 3.9
Rejected- EliCash91- 2310; 3.8
Rejected- irugee- 2050; 3.7
Rejected- Modadunn’s S- 2180/34; 3.75
Rejected- TheBlackLantern- 2100; ???</p>
<p>Hey I was accepted xD
International from Singapore, 2350 for Sat 1, 2380 for Sat 2, no GPA but good sch grades</p>