<p>Kudos, JLaw45 on your response and best wishes to you at Dartmouth. You sound like you have what it takes to be successful.</p>
<p>Just an edit - “cpeltz friend” was deferred, not rejected.</p>
<p>Charlie, I wrote a long response to you on the other thread by mistake, so let me summarize here. You are an ungracious spoiled guy. Did you really think you had much of a shot with a 2040? You were simply not competitive within this pool.</p>
<p>Where did you get the idea that D wants firefighters? I’m impressed that you chose to do that but really don’t see how that would have made you an interesting classmate any more than anyone’s EC’s would. So combined with a 2040, I’m coming up with the same conclusion as D did: auto reject.</p>
<p>It sounds like you thought a couple of winks from a guy your dad knows is all it takes. How fair is that had it been true? They would get a low scoring kid in because of friendship? Everyone my dad knows went to community college, if that.</p>
<p>@hmom5: I sent you details a message too</p>
<p>Uhm, it was my grandfather, but over the last 55 years he has donated around the six-figure range and graduated top of his class in '53. He wrote a letter for me, which the Dean wrote a personal response. She thanked him and said that what he wrote really highlighted my intangible qualities and that it would be added to my file. That seemed like a good sign but you never know. I feel it is moving away from the legacy era.</p>
<p>But general stats,
-2240 SAT, 35 ACT, 6 APs this year (already have three 5s and a 4)
-School doesn’t rank, but top 15% with upward trend. +100% average with weighting past two years.
-All-State Level singer, 4 years of theater in 8 shows
-President of 5 clubs including editor of literary magazine
-Varsity Tennis Team 2 years, 3 years JV</p>
<p>And legacy =/</p>
<p>Whatever! I just thought that my best shot was at Dartmouth with the legacy. Hopefully everything will work out for the spring</p>
<p>Sherlock,</p>
<p>Personally, I don’t think D is moving away from the legacy era because they have such a strong alumni base. </p>
<p>While you may have had an upward trend with a 100% over the past 2 years (very commendable) what is your overall Average? Where are you with out the weighting (the weighted grades really don’t matter because there is already an expectation that you are taking the most rigerous courses that your school offers and you are doing well). What did your SAT IIs look like?</p>
<p>I think you should have your wait a day or 2 so things can settle down and have your GC contact the regional rep at Dartmouth. Perhaps they can give your GC some insight to your application. You will send in your mid year report and your counselor will have the opportunity to amend the original recommendation. If you have won any additional awards /honors, let them know. You can send in an additional teacher recommendation. If you have not had the opportunity to have an interview, try contacting the alumni assocation in your area.</p>
<p>You want to try to give them a full of picture as possible of you.</p>
<p>All the best.</p>
<p>S</p>
<p>Dartmouth 13 looks to be a really fun guy.</p>
<p>Our school doesn’t do gpa or ranking is the thing so I don’t have a too accurate view. What they report is our weighted average which for me is now between a 96 and a 97. </p>
<p>I just calculated it w/o weighting. 94.7 for junior year. 92.3 for senior year. Sophomore and Freshman year I don’t really know. Probably between 90 and 93? They weren’t as good.</p>
<p>My SAT IIs were a 750 US History, 740 Literature, 720 Biology</p>
<p>Yeah, I’m really keeping my finger crossed. I already interviewed with a local alum. And I can’t really have my granddad write again…but I’ll probably talk to another teacher for a rec. I’ll have my GC contact next week. Do you think if I write a letter myself that would help? What if I arranged a visit to the campus to meet with someone in the music department? I know a contact there. Thanks for the advice</p>
<p>-Sherlock</p>
<p>Sherlock1016, definitely talk to the music department. A family friend of our’s had a son who wanted to go to Chapel Hill and could sing really well, but might not have gotten in (out of state) otherwise. He met with the choral director, who told him he had two slots and that the kid had to promise to sing if he took one of the director’s places. Nothing bad can come of meeting with the music department, and it could be the tip that pushes you over the top. Good luck!</p>
<p>sherlock, if you have a voice/chorus teacher who could write an additional rec for you, that might help.</p>
<p>What is an A at your school? At our HS, a 92 is a B+. I have the impression that schools like D usually expect to see an A/A- average, or a class rank that shows that a B+ is top 10+ or better at the HS in question.</p>
<p>Even the D recruited athletes from around here that I know have that kid of GPA/rank.</p>
<p>BTW, if you are a TENOR, mention it! 
If you are a really good singer, consider doing a CD and apply to Yale.</p>
<p>Our school grades 90-93 A- 94-96 A 97-100 A+ Realistically, my unweighted is probably a high A-</p>
<p>I’m a Bass II which actually works out! It’s the Tenor Is and Bass IIs that are the more rare voice types. I made the All State ensemble for New York and I’m an alternate for All Eastern. I’m thinking I should make a really really really well practiced CD and then contact this chorus teacher I know indirectly, hopefully make a trip up, and wait from there. Not right away though. When do you think would be a good time?</p>
<p>Thank you all for the advice, the spring is looking much brighter…or at least more hopeful…or well at least I’m not in a bad mood ahahahah</p>
<p>sherlock, I would proceed with the supplement NOW. They usually want them earlier so as to have time to assess them. Remember that schools typically only want about 10 minutes of music. You should send it to ALL of the schools you are applying to if they accept a supplement. </p>
<p>Where else are you planning to apply/have applied? I’m serious about Yale: they have very high profile groups to recruit for, and it is much more intense than at other schools, I think. If you made All-State in a state like New York and are an alternate regionally, you must be good.</p>
<p>Thank you Consolation. I’ve applied to University of Chicago, University of Michigan, and Dartmouth (heheheh) so far. I’m planning to apply to Harvard, Yale, Brown, Amherst, Wesleyan, Bowdoin, Johns Hopkins, Carleton, and Kenyon. </p>
<p>That’s really great information about Yale, thank you so much! I’m already very interested. Would I be able to call the music department and arrange a visit to meet some chorus teachers and practice with some ensembles? I’m planning to do something similar for Amherst, Dartmouth of course, and maybe Brown.</p>
<p>you guys should realize that the interview, extracurriculars and essy play as much of if not more of a role in admissions at a school like dartmouth where no matter what, they will get smart kids</p>
<p>sherlock, do your supplements instead of whining on this forum. you got deffered from dartmouth now go and get into harvard!</p>
<p>sherlock, president of 5 clubs is probably a bad thing…doesnt show you are passionate about any one and makes it seem like u are just trying to impress adcoms. plus no one has the time to be able to properly run 5 clubs</p>
<p>Updated from both threads:</p>
<p>Accepted- 1ofeach’s S- 2200; 3.9UW (Legacy)
Accepted- Akitaabby- 2350: 4.4W
Accepted- anonymous789- 2300; 3.9
Accepted- aprilwinds- 2350; no GPA (international-Singapore)
Accepted- bahrain321- 34; 4.05 (Legacy)
Accepted- Chief56- 2130; 3.97 (Native American)
Accepted- Cotee- 2210; 3.94 (Native American/First Gen)
Accepted- Jbl4891- 2160; 3.9W (First Gen.)
Accepted- JLaw45- 2090; 99.2 (URM/Athlete)
Accepted- JionCalliope- 2110; 4.33W
Accepted- linam111- 1850; 4.0W (Hispanic)
Accepted- mamcbride’s S- 2200/35; 4.04W
Accepted- 'Nique’s Sister- 2310; 4.29 (Sibling @ Dartmouth)
Accepted- Scotchtape- 2270; 3.8W
Accpeted- sparkalicious- 2290; GPA?
Accepted- superscs15- 2160/34; 3.94
Accepted- Tstarr31113- 2250; 4.17W
Accepted- twinkletoes747- 2150; 4.0
Accepted- vcr78’s D-2290; GPA?</p>
<p>Deferred- Admissions’s D- 2200; N/A
Deferred- Bananafish9- 2200; 4.4 out of 4.5
Deferred- caronant- 33;3.51
Deferred- chigirl25- 34; 4.55W
Deferred- colinization- 2200; 4.08 out of 4.33 UW
Deferred- cpeltz friend- 2340/35; 3.9
Deferred- Crucifymecaptain- 33; 3.6 (Hispanic)
Deferred- hellogoodbye5015- 2260; ??? (international-India)
Deferred- Jcll2002’s Bro- 2220; 3.74
Deferred- Johano09- 2170; 3.86UW
Deferred- pinkpineapple- 2350; 3.8UW
Deferred- redfishbluefish- 2230; 4.2W
Deferred- richmondb9- 2340; 3.74
Deferred- Sherlock1016- 2240/35; 4.2W (legacy)
Deferred- spdeer7- 2330; 3.86 (First Gen.)
Deferred- spideyunlimited- 2300; GPA? (international-India)
Deferred- sunny2’s S- 2260; 3.76 (legacy)
Deferred- tsalz15- 2270; 4.46W (Hispanic)</p>
<p>Rejected- charlie135- 2030; 3.85
Rejected- EliCash91- 2310; 3.8
Rejected- irugee- 2050; 3.7
Rejected- Modadunn’s S- 2180/34; 3.75
Rejected- nsenott- 1580;93.7
Rejected- TheBlackLantern- 2100; ???</p>
<p>Accepted: 44% SAT Avg (w/ ACT equivalents): 2217
Deferred: 42% SAT Avg (w/ ACT equivalents): 2256
Rejected: 14% SAT Avg (w/ ACT equivalents): 2053</p>
<p>four of the five are music clubs/groups. and yes starting immediately!!!</p>
<p>Just a “note” from the parent of a very talented (me, biased? Nah!) classical singer. From my son’s experience: grades, courseload and teacher recommendations are far, far more important to Ivy League admissions than talent, unless it’s nationally exceptional. You would be amazed at how many incredible musicians also have fantastic grades, or perhaps I should say how many people with fantastic grades are also incredible musicians. My son decided he’d rather work on his ECs and social life than increase his GPA and he was rejected by two Ivies last year, despite getting encouragement from music teachers in both schools who heard him sing in person (he also had Ivy-worthy SAT scores but those just don’t count as much as grades). There are several threads on this topic. Not to be discouraging, just cautionary: keep up the grades!! But still send in the CD. Just don’t count on musical talent to trump academics at Ivy League Schools.</p>
<p>Descartesz–My daughter’s GPA is 4.2 weighted.</p>
<p>neumes–Good point, particularly because Dartmouth (for one) doesn’t have a music performance major, just a general music major. My sense is that really phenomenal musicians will want to major in music performance. They are not going to an Ivy League school, but to a Juilliard, Berklee (sp., the one in Boston), Oberlin, or another conservatory. So your advice that academics trumps musical talent at an Ivy League school is probably very accurate.</p>
<p>hmom5, couldnt agree with you more: </p>
<p>"Trying to look for rhyme or reason by looking at the numbers is silly. The numbers clearly only make sense if you’re sitting around the adcom table.</p>
<p>As we can all see, most applicants are qualified so it’s the soft factors…it simply came down to unquantifiable things."</p>
<p>don’t want to sound hypocritical by posting numbers when they really dont define me suggest the gamut of my credentials, hobbies, passions (base jumping and airplane building, for example) etc, but for those who care: accepted, 2350, 1520 SAT2, no gpa, unhooked white boi</p>