<p>Tuscany! 
I waaant to go to Tuscany immediately.</p>
<p>Iâd settle for garlic toast right now.</p>
<p>or bruscetta, with actual, not hot house tomatos. This would make me happy. Clearly it is time for me to go make something for dinner. ciao.</p>
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<p>Whether someone actually did a murder is different from proving all elements of the offense beyond a reasonable doubt and getting a unanimous verdict of guilty.</p>
<p>Amy doesnât have to testify. She is HS graduate, going to college no prior record yada, yada.</p>
<p>Mom says it was accidential and that there was no way Amy knew her brother was even in the house. Fratricide is actually very rare and women usually donât kill with guns. </p>
<p>Get a couple of other moms on the jury ----pretty tough.</p>
<p>But she fled the scene and with the shotgun!!! Her lawyer could have arguedâshe was in shockâif sheâd really intended to kill him, Amy would have stuck around and âfakedâ concern and remorse. The lawyer would have used Soliminiâs own report to show that Amy was freaked and acting âdisoriented.â</p>
<p>I suggested that Amy Bishopâs children are going to have a hard time finding friends, etc. now. Another poster said: âWow - quite a harsh assessment. I hope this is not true and I donât at all buy that this is inevitable. How often have you met siblings or a parent and a child that were <em>nothing</em> alike? It would be pretty obvious to anyone who knows them well if the kids are completely different than the mother. But to presume that the kids will be judged negatively regardless? I think people have the capacity to be a lot better than that.â</p>
<p>While i know plenty of people who are not like their dysfunctional family members, I do think that most people â including me â would pause at the prospect of becoming friends with someone whose mother killed several people in cold blood in a highly publicized case, and whose father appears to â at best â be odd. He even seems to think that not getting tenure is an excuse for murder. </p>
<p>Thus far, the only person on record as claiming to be a friend of this family is a coworker whom Amy Bishop attempted to murder. The gun ran out of bullets as the woman pleaded for her life.</p>
<p>No matter how nice the kids are, unless they change their names and lie about their family, I think it will be very hard for them to find social groups, etc. </p>
<p>I am a very open minded person who among my friends have: a woman whose mother was convicted of killing her father; a woman whose father was a hit man for the Mafia; and a woman whose parents were criminals who pimped their kids out to prison guards in return for being able to use drugs in prison. My friends all are people who are law-abiding people who have made good lives for themselves.</p>
<p>Would I have chosen to have been their friends if I had known about their backgrounds when I met them? Probably not. Professionally, I have encountered too many people with psychopathic behavior who had criminal parents. Would I have encouraged my kids to have made friends with schoolmates whose parents were felons?</p>
<p>Back to Amy Bishopâs kids: Given what has been written about their motherâs long history of unfriendly/odd/dysfunctional behavior with neighbors, I would be surprised if the kids have been able to have friends.</p>
<p>âBut she fled the scene and with the shotgun!!! Her lawyer could have arguedâshe was in shockâif sheâd really intended to kill him, Amy would have stuck around and âfakedâ concern and remorse. The lawyer would have used Soliminiâs own report to show that Amy was freaked and acting âdisoriented.ââ</p>
<p>If a person freaks out and flees the scene after accidentally driving over a pedestrian, the person still is charged. Being so upset that one flees isnât considered an acceptable way to react to a traffic accident. </p>
<p>Amy left her brother bleeding to death. Doesnât seem an acceptable way to react to âaccidentallyâ shooting her brother. Add to this, she was so âupsetâ that she then threatened other peopleâs livesâŠ</p>
<p>âBut she fled the scene and with the shotgun!!! Her lawyer could have arguedâshe was in shockâif sheâd really intended to kill him, Amy would have stuck around and âfakedâ concern and remorse. The lawyer would have used Soliminiâs own report to show that Amy was freaked and acting âdisoriented.ââ</p>
<p>Next time I shoot someone I know, I would run out into the street in distraught and threaten others with gun just to prove that I did it accidentally.</p>
<p>To those who wonder about all the intimate details of the UAH professor who was shot and is in the ICU, who ask where are the details coming from and how they can be posted without violating privacy issuesâŠthere are several websites that allow family members of seriously ill persons to post daily, or even hourly updates. Caringbridge is one of these. Given the problems with privacy, and given that hospitals would often get calls from even very close family members to get updates, family members who were not on the âlistâ but who demanded info, hospitals have dealt with this in a variety of ways. And websites have sprung up which allow family members to journal and chronicle even intimate details of a patientâs hospital stay and progress. </p>
<p>We have a local boy who, at 18, was in a serious automobile accident at a racetrack. He apparently lost consciousness going 90+ miles an hour and drove off the track, through a ravine, and into trees. No helmet. His family has been journaling on CaringBridge very detailed info, including vital signs, imaging study results, EEG results, opinions of his physicians. The entire community, his fellow students, teachers, parents all can click on a link WITH NO PASSWORD and read specifics, almost as if one is reading the medical record. It is almost disturbing the amount of information families share on these sites, at least to this health care provider. But it allows the family to share the updates without having to answer the phone, and repeat the same info over and over. It can be therapeutic for families to chronicle the details. But once it is on the website, it is in the public domain.</p>
<p>NSMââbeyond a reasonable doubtâ is the standard. </p>
<p>If you read the reports, the kids at the automobile place donât state Amy threatened to kill them. In fact, it would be argued that if Amy was a cold-blooded killer bent on escape sheâd have fired that shotgun again to get away. She didnât, therefore, she wasnât. Remember Amy was a 20 y.o. white girl (and smart kid and maybe even Catholic if Sethâs wake means anything) from an educated and reasonably well-off family. </p>
<p>Cold-blooded killer would have been a hard sell.</p>
<p>The reason they have the concept of hit and run and leaving the scene of an accident is because it IS a reaction people have. We have deemed it ânot acceptable,â but it clearly is not beyond the range of human reaction.</p>
<p>well Im pretty sure one of those early articles I read did mention Amy stopped to put on/grab her jacket before she âranâ out of the house back in the day.</p>
<p>I also personally think husband was at UAH to pick her up from the perfect crime. However seeing all the cops and her being put in the car was a good indication somethijng went wrong.</p>
<p>I also believe she knows she shot all those people.</p>
<p>Gee. And I wondered a few days ago if this thread would ever get to 1000 posts.</p>
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This made a strange thought occur to me:</p>
<p>Is it *possible * that Amy Bishop thought she would kill all those at the meeting and then, because of the subsequent bio department staffing shortages, be in a better position to be reconsidered for tenure â or at least another year on the job?</p>
<p>This seems crazy to me, but the entire thing is crazy IMO. Plus if she got away with her previous murder, perhaps she *thought *she could get away with another one.</p>
<p>If she had successfully killed everyone in the room, there would have been no witnesses.
She would not have been expected to be at the meeting since she was not scheduled to teach in the fall, so might have thought she could avoid primary suspicion. </p>
<p>I have been wondering why her husband dropped her off and then picked her up. Do they have only one car? OR did they not want her car to be seen on campus that day?</p>
<p>The husband has given conflicting responses regarding his knowledge of the gun and its source, yet we have since learned that he went practice shooting with her. (I can say for sure that if *I *casually mentioned to my H that I had gotten a gun from somewhere, and how about we go practice shooting this weekend, he would be having me checked out pronto. LOL Certainly, he would not simply âgo with the flow.â) Did the husband perhaps procure the gun? Were they possibly together in the plan?</p>
<p>We do know that she must have been planning this for weeks, as the gun acquisition/target shooting took place some time previous to the murders.</p>
<p>As I say, VERY hard for me to believe, but it was a threatened loss of the main employment for their family, so they may both have desperately wanted a different outcome.</p>
<p>Probably not the one they got though.</p>
<p>But how many were in the room? One gun would have to be reloaded to kill them all, wouldnât it? And if they planned it in advance, surely they wouldnât think everyone would just sit there and be picked off.</p>
<p>There were 12 in the room and apparently she planned to go around the table and shoot them one by one. She was apparently prepared to reload (was in the process of getting the new shots from her purse when she was locked out of the room).</p>
<p>I am not saying it makes sense, but that it might have been her delusional plan?</p>
<p>âIs it possible that Amy Bishop thought she would kill all those at the meeting and then, because of the subsequent bio department staffing shortages, be in a better position to be reconsidered for tenure â or at least another year on the job?â</p>
<p>Yes, itâs possible. Clearly, she was not thinking rationally.</p>
<p>This hypothesis also might be supported by what her lawyer reported:</p>
<p>"Despite facing a possible death sentence, she is still concerned about her professional life and her position at the university.</p>
<p>âShe said, âDo I still have a job out there?â She asked me that yesterday,â Miller [her lawyer] said. âShe said, âDo you know if I have a job? I assume they fired me. Did they fire me?ââ</p>
<p>[Lawyer:</a> Accused professor is remorseful - Crime & courts- msnbc.com](<a href=âhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35475265/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/]Lawyer:â>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35475265/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)</p>
<p>âDo I still have a job?â ???</p>
<p>Is anyone else struck by the fact that the husband and murderer continue to talk endlessly about themselves? With no mention of the victims or the families? </p>
<p>This is another part of this story which is really giving me the creeps. The complete and total self-involvement is astonishing.</p>
<p>^ Yeah, neither of them, from what I have read, seems to be interested in how those injured and in the hospital are doing.</p>
<p>âIn fact, it would be argued that if Amy was a cold-blooded killer bent on escape sheâd have fired that shotgun again to get away. She didnât, therefore, she wasnât.â</p>
<p>OK, Iâve gone to the source to get the full story on that Braintree shooting. I mean this comes from the TOP ⊠an unassailable authority. It turns out there was an argument that day, but Amy wasnât involved ⊠it was Seth and his mother. The argument turned violent. There was screaming. Amy grabbed the shotgun and headed downstairs, just as Seth charged his mother with knife raised. Amy stepped in between and raised the shotgun to protect her mother. Seth grabbed the barrel and tried to push the shotgun aside. But he pulled slightly, causing the shotgun to discharge. Call it an accident, call it suicide, call it self-defense if you want ⊠whatever. Amy was distraught over Sethâs death. She ran outside and tried to flag down a car to take Seth to the hospital. When that didnât work she tried the local garage (where there were cars, get it?). Amy and her mom then fabricated the âaccidentâ story in order to protect Sethâs memory. Miss Cleo assured me that in no way was Amy the assailant ⊠she was, in fact, the victim in this family tragedy.</p>
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<p>Sociopaths are cognizant masters of using deception in order to deflect responsibility for their bad deeds. The feigning of insanity or some other exculpatory condition , always seemingly sincere, is presented in order to solicit sympathy thus immunity and always very calculated.</p>
<p>Sociopaths/psychopaths are cunning, not crazy.</p>
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<p>Bizarre . . .</p>
<p>What must be going on in that head.</p>