<p>I don’t think he’d lost his mooring in reality. I think he was unhappy and angry and wanted revenge on the people who, he thought, maltreated him. </p>
<p>He was wrong about the maltreatment, sort of, or at least he was wrong about the reasons for the maltreatment . But he was right that he could get revenge. I don’t see that as having lost bearings in reality. I see it as nihilistic despair.</p>
<p>And, again, if you say the PUAHate beliefs are psychotic then you’ve just diagnosed a lot of psychotics. </p>
<p>@Cardinal Fang I don’t know if you are talking to me. I don’t know if the PUAHaters are psychotic, some or all might be for all I know. I don’t consider their being there the definition of psychotic, though, just whining. But reading his manifesto he actually seemed to think walking down the street was a way to get girls to throw themselves at him, that if he ‘went’ to a party others would party ‘with him’ without his making an approach even to the point of a smile. I saw a lot of magical thinking there, and I don’t think most people look at movies where girls throw themselves at the actor and say ‘Gee, I can’t wait to go there where girls throw themselves at people’. And THEN hold it against women when they don’t. The expectations were not based on reality to begin with. Even popular jocks he hated didn’t have girls throw themselves at them while they walked down the street.</p>
<p>Accidentally on purpose walk with their friends by their dorm while they are outside playing volleyball, maybe. Throw themselves at them for doing nothing at all, no.</p>
<p>Psychosis generally means hearing, seeing, or believing things that others don’t hear, see or believe. It is somewhat culturally dependant. It can also include a “thought disorder” or “disorganized thoughts”. </p>
<p>Police do it because they are mobile, and because it is dangerous. They are the ones who can cuff someone and take them against their will. They can take them to a mental health person who can drop the hold if they have 5150 authority. </p>
<p>Xanax is a powerful and addictive benzodiazapene, in the same catagory as valium valium. </p>
<p>Possible 5150 is a very routine police call. We live in a fairly quiet little town and if I turn on the police scanner I will hear half a dozen of these before dinner. When my son was working as an EMT he responded to a bunch of them ranging from a teenage girl with a panic attack who calmed down and thanked them before going back home to a delusional homeless person they dropped off at the ER to a guy who ended up barricading himself in the house which the police later firebombed and burned to the ground with him inside the next day He also killed a locksmith in the melee. Most of them are over before EMT’s arrive. The police go first and call an ambulance if needed.</p>
<p>At the NAMI conference I attended, a police officer said that during their training, they spent a week on learning how to handle guns, several days on high-speed chases, and less than one day on mental health calls. He said that in his years as an officer, he had never pulled his gun out of its holster, had chased only one person at 30 mph, and had gone to 600 mental health calls! </p>
<p>Having said that, I must say that the officers who came to our house were excellent. One kept me calm while the other kept my son calm. They were so kind. A few days later, one of them pulled me over for a headlight that was burnt out. He started asking me for my registration and insurance, but when he realized he’d been to our house recently, he said, “Oh, that’s OK - just forget about it.”</p>
<p>Keeping people calm was my son’s takeway from that summer. It’s kind of interesting actually. EMT’s are trained to walk with urgency and purpose but never run. Now he’s working as a lifeguard. They’re trained to run.</p>
<p>How many people have made a call to police over -$25 of property?
That would indicate to me that the caller was a little anxious or OCD at the very least.
Specially when they were driving a car worth more than some folks annual salary.</p>
<p>Many kids and young adults in my old neighborhood would not only call cops, but have outright fights over far less than that. A couple of older kids in the neighborhood ended up being separated and arrested by cops over being in a vicious fight over a couple of dollars while I was still under 10. </p>
<p>In fact, I recalled some really sad news stories of people being killed in fights over property worth $10 or less…sometimes much less. </p>
<p>The reports about the April incident were that the mom called the counselor who called a mental health agency who called the police to request the welfare check. Where was the SB psychologist? An agency is not going to know anything specific when they call the cops. And the cops are not going to look into the background of every one of these calls and find out if they ever reported a petty crime and wonder if they are OCD and maybe have a gun collection stashed somewhere and might commit a mass murder in the next month. 600 calls. That’s just crazy. </p>
<p>If it is like our county mental health “agency”, there is access to an electronic record. It’s not perfect, and can be a pain, but it helps. Also helps that state and county voted to add a tax to help pay for services. Do you know what funding is like in your county?</p>
<p>No, no idea. But, funding wasn’t his issue either since he was unwilling to be treated. Electronic records of what? Past prescriptions and previous diagnosis? Doctor visits? Names of physicians? Registered weapons? What could they know? He didn’t have any previous hospitalizations. He did have those small police incidents but they could easily appear very minor at the time. He reported a theft and was involved in a scuffle where he was the one who got hurt. No prior threats.</p>
<p>I get that most folks don’t care about mental health coverage and public funding because most folks don’t need it. But like the gun folk, I bring it up when folks might listen. </p>
<p>Funding might be an issue if you want to implement some of what you are alluding to. </p>
<p>If someone has been seen by a county mental health agency, including “crisis” from which 5150’s are done, notes from that visit are in the EMR.</p>
<p>Hmmm. I wasn’t alluding to anything and I have no doubt that county mental health agencies are underfunded. </p>
<p>What I was asking was what information this agency would have had to share with police in this case. Because people are complaining that the police should have done more. Although, his family says there was nothing more they could have done. It was a real question. No alluding.</p>
<p>I see. When you wrote “where was the SB psychologist?”, I thought you were suggesting she should have been more available to the patient, the police, the media, and to CC to explain herself. My bad. </p>
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