Should Harvard disclose the quota of International applicants pool?

<p>I have to say, if you can’t figure out that Harvard is monstrously difficult to get into, more specific stats won’t help. As it is, we have kids who play the “Yeah, but maybe I’ll one of those 5 or 6 or 8%” game.</p>

<p>ps. In January 2012 they reported this, suggesting over 6k applicants: </p>

<p>“One change worth noting, however, is the modest (5 percent) increase in the international pool, compared with a 20 percent increase last year (from 5,006 to 6,014).” <a href=“http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/01/applications-to-harvard-college-stabilize/[/url]”>http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/01/applications-to-harvard-college-stabilize/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>of course Harvard has quotas, but they are a private institution…so they are free to do what they want.
they have sliding scales and overlook or ignore things, to fit what they want. is it fair? (not for me to decide) but, yes they do , but such is life. they have no need to disclose that info, anymore then information that you hold private.</p>

<p>^Thank you @lookingforward. This is really helpful! As I said, the more feedback/comments from the CC members, the more helpful is the information provided here. </p>

<p>To all international applicants who have not seen this before or who have not paid attention to this before, based 2012 numbers, the Harvard class of 2016’s general admission rate is 5.92% (2,032 of 34,302), but the international admission rate is 3.38% (203/6,014) comparing to domestic admission rate 6.47% (1,829/28,288). It’s better than MIT’s :slight_smile: !!!</p>

<p>[Harvard</a> Accepts Record Low of 5.9 Percent to the Class of 2016 | News | The Harvard Crimson](<a href=“http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2012/3/29/admissions-harvard-rate-2016/]Harvard”>Harvard Accepts Record Low of 5.9 Percent to the Class of 2016 | News | The Harvard Crimson)
[Applications</a> to Harvard College stabilize | Harvard Gazette](<a href=“http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/01/applications-to-harvard-college-stabilize/]Applications”>Applications to Harvard College stabilize – Harvard Gazette)</p>

<p>This may mean nothing to you, because you should have already known “Harvard is monstrously difficult to get into” as “lookingworward” suggested above. But still hope this could help some of the “normal” applicants to make their wise EA or REA decisions in the future.</p>

<p>Again, thank you “lookingforward” for the link you provided.</p>

<p>I told you, Harvard was always fair, and would not hide anything, simply because that she doesn’t need to due to the fact of “Their resources allow them unimaginable programs and plans” noted by T26E4 above.</p>

<p>SuperN0va, you appear to be somewhat arrogant. Foreign institutions (e.g. Oxford and Cambridge in my home country) accept a large number of foreign students as well. Most of these foreign applicants are actually American. In fact, the London School of Economics has around 45% foreign population despite being an amazing public university funded fully by the British taxpayer. </p>

<p>The motto of almost all top academic institutions is to bring together scholars and their ideas from around the world.</p>

<p>International students need to look at Harvard’s Common Data set from the past six years. Click on each link and go to the B2 data. Look at the column labeled “Non Resident Alien.” A non-resident alien is a non-U.S. citizen who doesn’t possess a green card – in other words, most international students. Although the numbers of non-resident aliens fluctuate from year to year, they are all within a small range, never exceeding 200 students. See: [The</a> Office of the Provost | Common Data Set](<a href=“http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/common_data_set.php]The”>http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/common_data_set.php)</p>

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<p>In other words, for international students:

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<p>And much more so than for US students!</p>

<p>“To all international applicants who have not seen this before or who have not paid attention to this before, based 2012 numbers, the Harvard class of 2016’s general admission rate is 5.92% (2,032 of 34,302), but the international admission rate is 3.38% (203/6,014) comparing to domestic admission rate 6.47% (1,829/28,288). It’s better than MIT’s !!!”</p>

<p>What does any of this prove though? If girls from Afghanistan/Iran or some other country where women are oppressed apply, they may have 100% admit rate.</p>

<p>[Undergraduate</a> Admission - A Princeton Profile](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/pub/profile/admission/undergraduate/]Undergraduate”>http://www.princeton.edu/pub/profile/admission/undergraduate/)</p>

<p>Just wanted to add some data points. At Princeton the overall international admit rate was 22/4897 or 4.6%. So, from the data that H & P does provide, it is clear that the admit rate for internationals is lower. The OP wanted to know about SCEA but unfortunatley that data is not available. The competition from places like India is truly brutal because there are only something like 15 total undergraduates at Harvard currently. I believe there are something like 55 from China.</p>

<p>Many international admits have tips. They rowed for Eton and will be recruited by the Harvard crew coach, a parent was a Harvard alumnus, their grandfather is a major donor to Harvard Business School, they come from an under-represented country such as Peru, or their families are super well-connected in their country, politically or economically. Additionally, many international students do nothing significant outside of school except study, music, or Olympiads. With fewer special talents and tips among international applicants, the admit rate is lower. There are no quotas.</p>

<p>“international admit rate was 22/4897 or 4.6%”</p>

<p>You missed out a digit - it is 226.</p>

<p>MeisHM - You are posting incorrect information. London School of Economics accepts a large number of junior year study abroad and graduate students from abroad. I believe the number from outside the EU in the fresher class is very small.</p>

<p>We don’t want to discourage the international applicants to apply Harvard (or HYPs). Please go and pursue your dream as what you wished. But, just be careful about your ED, EA, or REA choices, because you could risk your much better chances of being admitted by other top schools with the Harvard’s “almost impossible”.</p>

<p>As the other CC members noted above, if you are international applicant, and you are not a recruited athlete, you are not the son/daughter/grandson/granddaughter of your country political, culture, or society leaders, you are not the one who come from a special region/area of the world, you don’t have a story to make 99% people to cry, and you don’t have a recommendation letter from a famous individual, like Obama or Mr. Fitzsimmons, then your admission chance could be even lower than 1-3%. In the other words, if you are not an “unique” international applicant as said above, your admission to Harvard (or HYPs) could be a “miracle”. You and your parents should be extremely proud of your achievement (and your “luck”) if your were admitted. Congratulations!</p>

<p>Don’t forget, all we are talking about here is just for your information, but not recommendation. You are the one to make your own judgement and decision.</p>

<p>Good luck to everyone, and for everything!</p>

<p>I think at this point, admission to Harvard is so selective for just about anyone that being admitted is probably a miracle.</p>

<p>There are more domestic and international students that are rejected from Harvard than are accepted every year.</p>

<p>But no matter who you are, if you don’t apply your chance is zero. It would not be right to discourage someone from applying if they want to. So even if the chance isn’t large, the best you can do is try for it and apply.</p>

<p>As pointed out, Harvard and other schools does supply information about International Admissions.</p>

<p>But it seems that the problem is that people want even more information, such as country specific. That doesn’t really make sense since colleges don’t supply numbers based on each State in the U.S. either. </p>

<p>More importantly, what does it matter if you find out that admission rates for your country are 1% or 3.7%? What would you do differently? Not apply is the percent is low? What happens if the numbers are low for your country because a lot of people who apply are not even close to being qualified?</p>

<p>I once saw a PDF document that listed the number of admitted students from each country (both undergrad and graduate). And it was legit.</p>

<p>^^ Yup. It’s there for everyone to see; you just have to do a google search. Column 2 “college” = Harvard Undergraduate: <a href=“http://www.hio.harvard.edu/abouthio/statistics/pdf/StudentsSchoolCountryAlpha13-14.pdf[/url]”>http://www.hio.harvard.edu/abouthio/statistics/pdf/StudentsSchoolCountryAlpha13-14.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>So coming from a country with 0 current students should give you a leg up in the process?</p>

<p>Damaris, currently, the percentage of the international undergraduate population at the LSE is 48%. I went to the open day and the Admissions Officer said. [Undergraduate</a> Open Day presentations - Meet, visit and discover LSE - Study - Home](<a href=“http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/meetLSE/podcastsAndPresentations.aspx]Undergraduate”>http://www.lse.ac.uk/study/meetLSE/podcastsAndPresentations.aspx)</p>

<p>FWI Yale and MIT have started an initiative to recruit more British state school students. A BBC article (that I can’t seem to find) showed that right now over 90% of British students in the U.S. are privately educated. Yale and MIT are trying to raise awareness of their “need-blind” policies. Every year, they hold a summer school exclusively for publicly educated British Citizens. In addition, Columbia Law School allows UCL, KCL and LSE law students students to transfer to it after their second year and obtain both a British LL.B and an American JD (as undergraduate students). This just shows that schools do prefer students from certain countries over others.</p>

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Not necessarily, as much depends on your stats, teacher recs, essays and EC’s. I think it’s valuable to look at it and say students from Canada and the UK have a better chance than students applying from India, China, Korea, Japan etc.</p>

<p>Seems quite logical…Would be interesting to see the exact amount of kids applying from some of the ultra-competitive countries you are mentioning though. I imagine they are in far excess of applicants from say Europe(?)</p>

<p>gibby, beyond simply the statistics represented, why do you think British and Canadian students stand a better chance?</p>