Should I Bother Applyingg?

<p>I know this thread is unusual, but bear with me.</p>

<p>I am currently a Junior in high school slowly building up a list of schools to apply to. I am seriously considering applying to Brown - it’s definitely my number one pick - but for one critical issue: in the entire 40 year history of my high school nobody has EVER been admitted to Brown. Consistently, every single year most of those applying to top schools send an application to Brown from my HS. Invariably all those applications are turned down - applicants from a class which generally sends 2 to Harvard, 4 or 5 to Columbia, and a smattering to other top schools (those same students rejected from Brown). Statistically I am competitive for admission (2350 SAT I, 800/800/790 SAT II, Class Rank 5/360 etc) but my guidance councilor has advised me not to apply due to this record.</p>

<p>The dilemma is simple: should I bother applying to Brown?
While I know schools like Brown do not use quotas or similar mechanisms which would send my app to the reject bin, I have heard that the school possesses a notable preference for those who partake in really unusual extracurriculars. As a person who has a pretty normal EC list (debate, mock trial, science research & starting a large website) this would obviously kill me. Should I just save my money?</p>

<p>EDIT: Fail at the title.</p>

<p>All you have to lose is a few bucks- do it, you’ll never know unless you do. Don’t let your school’s history affect your decision to apply.</p>

<p>apply anyway - you don’t have anything to loose except the application fee. My school has 20+ kids apply every year (which is over 1/5 of the senior class), and for the past two years, everyone’s been rejected. Before that, only one or two scraped by in admissions. However, this year I was admitted, and I suspect that at least one more of my classmates will be too. So, moral of the story, go for it. Brown is the best, and if it’s you’re number one, why wouldn’t you put yourself out there?</p>

<p>I agree that you should apply to Brown. My younger son’s advisors told him not to apply to Columbia, rather to focus on Brown, Yale and Harvard, because Columbia “doesn’t like us.” He’s a happy sophomore at Columbia.</p>

<p>I’ve asked admissions officers about rumors like this, that “no one from my HS has ever been admitted.” Their response: they check their records and discover that they HAVE accepted students from that high school. People forget (is there really anyone at the school who knows who got into what colleges 40 years ago? 25 years ago? 5 years ago?). Also, people don’t tell their GC when they get in, so the school doesn’t know when someone does get in.</p>

<p>As long as you have a good range of schools to apply to – especially safeties, including financial safeties, that you are happy to attend, then there is absolutely no reason why a student with your incredible stats should not apply to Brown and other reach schools.</p>

<p>Just curious… where are you from?</p>

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<p>I bet she didn’t phrase it this way – although she might as well have done so: “The past failures of others who applied shall deny you the opportunity to apply, thereby condemning you, with absolute certainty, to the same fate and forever precluding you and others from ever altering this high school’s track record at Brown.”</p>

<p>Obviously your guidance counselor isn’t a big fan of Brown if she’s shutting the Van Wickle Gates for her students so readily. (You’ll notice that I’ve arbitrarily decided that she’s a she.) </p>

<p>Her position on Brown is fascinating to me.</p>

<p>Did she just now come to this conclusion (to start advising students against applying to Brown)? In other words, was applying to Brown fine for students last year or two years ago, but as of NOW – this year – has she determined that the track record has spoken and that a Brown education shall forthwith be forever foreclosed to students at your high school? How will she advise the following year’s students…and the ones after that? Because, if you and others go along with her logic, that “perfect” track record she’s referring to ain’t ever gonna change, is it?</p>

<p>Or maybe you’re one of those future year students and she’s telling you this because from 1992-1998 nobody was accepted and so, because of that, nobody has applied since then and – voila! – nobody since 1991 has been accepted. At what point does a losing streak such as the one she wants to guide your actions become too ancient for you?</p>

<p>Or…have students in recent past years been receiving the same advice she’s giving you – deciding to ignore her “wisdom” and apply to Brown anyway with disappointing results? And, if so, are you confident that she’s willing to admit her error if some of them did get accepted? More importantly, do you think these other students who went against her advice are more independent and self-driven than you are by going against her advice?</p>

<p>If you’re more inclined to blindly follow than they are, you might consider letting her advice guide you as to your future. If you’re less (or equally) inclined to take orders blindly, you wouldn’t give much weight to her “the past failures of others who tried shall condemn you to the same failure without having a chance to try” advice.</p>

<p>The concern I’d have would not be so much with Brown as it might be with the guidance counselor. From my perusing these forums, I have the impression that Brown’s admission team does more calling to high school guidance counselors to inquire about applicants than other colleges. And if she’s got some thing going on that makes her predisposed to keep students from so much as applying to Brown, I might not want Brown calling her.</p>

<p>Theres no reason why you shouldn’t apply, the worst thing that can happen is being rejected, which you will eventually get over. It depends how much you like Brown. I’ve talked to someone at my High School that got in ED at Brown (my HS usually sends 2-3 students to Brown each year). His stats werent amazing (2190 SAT, 3.8 UW GPA, White, top income bracket, non-legacy, 200 volunteer hours, played soccer and ran track) but he made his love for Brown University clear in his essay and his interview, so I guess that matters the most. </p>

<p>Just Do It.</p>

<p>I think you should just apply. You are well qualified and who is your guidance counselor to advise you not to apply somewhere?
If i were you I’d apply because you have a chance.
Best of Luck to you, It would be really cool if you were the first one to get in :)</p>

<p>if you could, chance me back please!</p>

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<p>If Brown is your number 1, apply.
My GC told me that Brown was an “odd duck” for my school. We have “Mathematics and Science” in our name, and our required liberal arts courses are in no way as challenging as some of our required science classes. In my school’s history, ~3 people before me had applied ED to Brown and 1 got in. A ton apply RD (just with all the other ivies) and get rejected every year. My school didn’t have a great history with Brown, either. But I did absolutely everything I could to get in anyway.
This post, from Brown’s admissions blog, encouraged me, too. You should probably read it.
[It’s</a> Not Your School, It’s You Prospects & Providence](<a href=“http://blogs.brown.edu/admissions/2010/07/19/its-not-your-school-its-you/]It’s”>http://blogs.brown.edu/admissions/2010/07/19/its-not-your-school-its-you/)</p>

<p>Good luck! :)</p>