Should I go to Haverford?

<p>I've just got accepted to Haverford yesterday and I'm quite worried. I kept reading things about the boring life and the nerdy student crowd today and I really want your opinion on my decision.</p>

<p>About me:
-Beijing girl
-Love to party in the hottest night clubs in the city
-Love to have tons of friends from all over the world. (I normally hang out with foreign students from PekingU while I was in highschool)
-Love to read and write
-went to a Chinese high school with 6000 kids.</p>

<p>I've heard that Haverford had a very nice but socially-awkward student crowd and I'm just wondering what that would be like. Here in China everyone is kind of nerdy and the highschool life SUCKS. Normally I would go to school during the week and head out and party with the college kids on weekends--- I'm not a total party animal.I would define myself as a quite unconventional individual-I played guitar in a rock band, used to be a cheerleader, and have published a book. My grades was really good too.</p>

<p>Haverford has been one of my top choices but I just don't want to get into something I might regret in the fulture.</p>

<p>Where else did you get in?</p>

<p>I’m still waiting for the Ivys. Right now Haverford is the only offer I got.</p>

<p>I would wait until all your acceptances are in, then I (and others) may have better advice as to best fit for you.</p>

<p>Ok! Thank you!</p>

<p>The great thing about HC is that the community is very accepting of all types of students but I would say that my S (not a nerd, graduating this year) spent a great deal of time studying in order to do well. People do party at HC, but I would not call it a party school by any stretch. I am wondering why you say this is a top choice school when you seem to have such serious reservations about the student body? HC students by and large and smart, kind, accepting and very down to earth.</p>

<p>Based on what you’ve written about yourself, I get the sense that you may not be a match for Haverford… or for any LAC for that matter. It says “Columbia!!”, maybe Harvard or another university with a big town scene- you should really consider NYU or UCLA.</p>

<p>1) Love to party in the hottest night clubs in the city: Um, one of the “hottest” bars close to HC is called “Roaches”. LOL. HC students like to have fun when they are not studying but I don’t think you will find a large contingent of students who would use a “hot” nightclub as an example of fun. I think how students have fun is a bit more subdued than what you may be looking for… Beijing’s night life is pretty rockin’ and I think only matched by NYC, LA, DC or Boston if you really stretch it… I don’t know what the age limits are in China but any US club that would be considered “hot” won’t let you in if you’re under 21 so your expectations may be unrealistic for a college experience. Also, it’s about $20 to get into a “hot” club not including drinks ($7-10) so that’s an expensive endeavor for a student body with 50% on financial aid. </p>

<p>2) Love to have tons of friends from all over the world- well as a student from China, relatively speaking based on your vantage point, if you go to HC then all of your friends will fit this in a way as the majority won’t be from China. If you mean sheer numbers, HC is about 1200 students with BMC about 1400. The international student # is about 6-7%. I don’t know what you mean by “tons” but the social pool is small and this comes with some +/-. Your high school is twice the size as the Bi-college.</p>

<p>3) “Socially awkward” is relative. All I can say is that, as an Asian American with plenty of relatives/friends who I’ve visited/partied with in Saigon, Hong Kong, Taipei, Beijing, I suggest that the definition and benchmarks for “socially awkward” are different between Asian societies vs mainstream America. Take that for what it’s worth. LOL.</p>

<p>4) “Socially awkward” is relative. In LA, we hear about people like Charlie Sheen and Lindsey Lohan… they seem to party, have fun, date very attractive people, are “hot” and successful as defined by what is LA, but some people would question their social skills. Whether HC students are socially awkward I think depends on the viewer… also, there is a character at HC that is a bit modest and confidently self-deprecating, so students like poking fun at themselves so what you’re reading may be a bit exaggerated. Although there are some socially inept people for sure, you know, there also must be something truly amazing about these students that got them into HC and whether or not you benefit from these talents/experiences depends on whether you are able to rise above any assumptions you may have. Think about it. </p>

<p>5) I would define myself as quite unconventional individual- HC’s brand of education is very distinct. It’s a small college informed by its Quaker heritage and this is how it markets itself and it doesn’t appeal to a lot of people as a result and that’s OK. The students who choose HC though are a unique group. Why would someone be interested in an honor code? What’s up with that? I know several HC friends who got into places like MIT, Harvard and Princeton (let alone other universities/colleges considered as prestigious or more) but chose HC because of fit, which in my mind, is a demonstration of “unconventional” where it counts. I think your fit will depend on who you define “unconventional” and it aligns with what makes HC “unconventional.” </p>

<p>As a side note, did you see the youtube link for Beth Cavener? She’s pushing the ceramics art scene from teapots/vases to large-scale sculpture… original and unconventional for sure.</p>

<p>I am the parent of a S who has been accepted at HC and he does fit most of the descriptions you have read - quirky, not aggressive socially but hardly shy, nice guy, good student, likes everyone. He is not at all like you (as you have described yourself). We made three trips to HC and he enjoyed each successive one more than the one before. My S and HC seem to be a good fit. While I am very impressed with the detailed response HC Alum sent you here, I don’t see HC as a great fit for you given the interests you have expressed. Even Philadelphia may not be an environment that meets your needs (and I fully agree with the suggestions of NYC, LA, DC or Boston as better alternatives - the number one reason students give for applying to Columbia is NYC/location). It will be very interesting to many of us to know what other colleges you have applied to.</p>

<p>Many of the HC students encourage you to contact them via email if you have any questions. You can get their emails on the HC website. They would be in the best position to provide detailed rsponses to all of your questions/concerns.</p>

<p>Good luck with whatever decision you do make.</p>

<p>PS S plays a black cherry Schecter C-1 Hellraiser through a Peavey Vypyr 75 and loves metal. You might normally have to dig a little to find that out.</p>

<p>Yeah, not a good fit. What I meant to write was</p>

<p>"I think your fit will depend on what you define as "unconventional” and <em>if</em> it aligns with what makes HC “unconventional.” </p>

<p>(not sure if that’s the case here)</p>

<p>sugarguitar, best of luck finding a good fit. think about contacting a few students as englishjw suggested if you are still considering HC.</p>

<p>englishjw, good luck with your son’s decision!</p>

<p>Thank you HC Alum. S will most likely select HC but we will wait to hear from every school before he decides. At that point, our plan is for him to make another visit to each of his top two schools before reaching his final decision.</p>

<p>I don’t know about the rush to judge the (ill) fit here… I completely understand the reaction, but I’m not sure there should be such confidence that HC isn’t a great fit.</p>

<p>sugarguitar, what made you apply to HC in the first place? We have a large Chinese college student population in our mid-size European city – from rural to city – and I’ve had classes with many, almost all of whom are very low-key, reserved (well, they might get a little in-yer-face with some of the “Hello Kitty” paraphernalia, but otherwise very reserved) in the academic setting and, still, when they go out they are, well, like you describe yourself: total Beijing party girls (and guys). And I know the latter because I’ve seen them in some of the clubs, some of which my son performs at…and, he, too – a U.S. citizen, not Asian – is very low key and laid back, but a different person on stage (possible future bandmate of englishjw’s S, I reckon) who I never see, at home or anywhere.</p>

<p>Have you been to the U.S. for an extended time, sugarguitar? You may find that you lean toward the conservative side of the spectrum and American big city experience may come across as a bit, well, pushy and insensitive, especially for someone who seems very comfortable being a social superstar. You really chose to emphasize the social aspects, in a way where being out in front is important to you. I think HC would give you that opportunity…with a fairly cosmopolitan group of people, too. Don’t think that HC students are a bunch of hayseeds (slow-minded, slow-paced, farmboys and girls). But, if I catch what you’re expressing here, I think they’ll be very much inclined to be people who you can socialize with…and even be a social mover and shaker. Meanwhile, at – say – Columbia, you might find yourself tagging along, perhaps as the oddball cousin.</p>

<p>Now, when it comes time for graduate school, I can see you having found your “zone” within American culture and feel that it’s time for LA or Manhattan. I just wouldn’t be so quick to think that those places are the right places for you during college, in a new country. If you want to step right in and be the social mover you’re telling us you see yourself as being, HC might actually be an excellent fit.</p>

<p>Sorry to throw down a response that derails what you’ve heard so far. I’m not trying to make this more confusing, I promise. I just sincerely look at the things you’ve chosen to tell us about yourself and think that a young woman from Beijing who says those things might find HC to be a great fit; while, maybe, not so much for Paris Hilton or other socialites who’ve found their way in the big city U.S. scene. I think places like HC, possibly Penn or Brown would be great in terms of both social scene and intellectual rigor. Not Cornell, Princeton, Dartmouth (which has a party scene…but probably not your style).</p>

<p>No, I don’t think you’ll be the everyday, ho-hum, average HC student…and if you think of “fit” as blending in and conforming with the crowd so that you don’t stand out, then HC would not be a very good fit for you. But I’m not reading that into what you’re looking for when it comes to “fit.” In that sense, I think HC could be a darn good fit for you. It takes all kinds to make a diverse community and you’ll be one of those people who can help shape the experience for people. That can happen, for a student from Beijing, at HC. I don’t think that will come close to happening for a freshman girl from Beijing setting foot in Manhattan and, if you try to be that person there, I think there’s a good chance that that’s where you’ll get the judgments thrown at you and feel like the social outcast.</p>

<p>Wow. Thank you for all the replies!!! You guys really helped a lot.</p>

<p>For D’yer Maker: Yes I have been to the States for a year as an exchange student. I was placed in Des Moines, Iowa, in an evangelical family and a small Christian school. That year was different and hard for me, yet I learned a lot. Some descriptions I read about HC just reminded me the kids in my Christian school so i was a little bit of afraid. (Not anymore:) )</p>

<p>After reading your replies I realized that HC chose me for a reason. Yes I will be partying and living my old life at schools in big cities, but I might not want that. I might want something different, another kind of inspiring enviornment. HC is a good choice.</p>

<p>Thank you all. (谢谢)</p>

<p>To English JW:Thank you! I applied to NYU Stern(rejected! I can’t even believe it! It’s my safety school) BU, Haverford, William and Mary, Vanderbilt (Warm weather! I’ve lived in Iowa for one year an it was too cold in the winter), Columbia, Yale, Princeton and Brown.</p>

<p>Thank you HC alum!I’ll decide after other school’s offers come out.
PS: There’s no drinking age in China, so I drink legally ;-)</p>

<p>Hi sugarguitar. I agree with everything that has been said in response to your initial question. It certainly isn’t a simple answer. Having spent some meaningful time in Iowa with both friends and a company I had worked closely with for a few years. HC will be very different. HC is just outside of Philadelphia. There will be much more to do in Philly (and on the HC campus). In addition to that, it is not that difficult to get to either New York or Washington DC by mass transportation. You can certainly have plenty of options for a rich and rewarding life experience in addition to your central college experience.</p>

<p>Having said that, there are a number of great schools on your list. Things will get much more interesting for you when you have all of your acceptances - waitlists - rejections.</p>

<p>@D’yer Maker Given your screen name I am guessing that your son may not be the only who plays some music in the family.</p>

<p>Truth be told…I’m tone deaf and, as if to underscore the fact that I have no musical chops myself, I totally flubbed the CC account name when I created it. Oh…oh oh OH oh oh!</p>

<p>@ **sugarguitar **: I’ve never been to Des Moines. Nor have I lived with an evangelical family in the midwest for a year. But I think I understand how you might have the jitters about running into the same brick wall twice. I have been to Haverford (just visiting, not as a student) and I feel highly confident in saying that it’s a world apart. Good luck.</p>

<p>sugarguitar-</p>

<p>I think MANY of our kids would have trouble living in Des Moines, Iowa, in an evangelical family and a small Christian school… WOW. If HC were anything like that there is no way S would go!!</p>

<p>englishjw-</p>

<p>My S sounds a lot like yours- “quirky, not aggressive socially but hardly shy, nice guy, good student, likes everyone…” (In fact, I have never heard him say a bad word about anyone.) He has liked electronic music for a while, but lately has also started listening to classical as well. For some reason he is currently into the soundtrack from “The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly,” which brings back memories… I would say he is definitely quirky!</p>

<p>Do you know when your S might visit? Ours is tentatively planning an overnight since we live in CA.</p>

<p>@cgarrett101 </p>

<p>We are going to HC for Open Campus Day on April 17th. Have you made any plans yet?</p>