<p>topic...lol...me and my friend are having argument over this...he thins they make like $500,000+ but I think they make less than that..much less ;)</p>
<p>what do you guys think???</p>
<p>say experience is not a factor (he has enough...lol...and he went to Harvard/JHU/Penn/etc.)</p>
<p>Median salary for CT surgeons is around $400,000 (and falling) so it's not inconceivable to see CT surgeons make $500,000+.</p>
<p>You can see here</a>that the middle point of the IQR seems to be at approximately $450,000 for CT Surgeons in that area of the country. Do not forget, though, that Hopkins faculty are in academic medicine, not private practice. So there's an unknown conversion factor in there -- but my estimate would be that it's probably about half, meaning that the CT surgeons on Hopkins' faculty make $225K or less.</p>
<p>And dropping.</p>
<p>BlueDevil
I may be wrong, but I think that Hopkins is on the "Harvard plan" where they do not get any of their earnings - they only get salary. That is done by the academic schools to keep docs from seeing the money of practice and cutting back on research. At academic institutions on practice plans, the afther expense (malpractice, office aid, etc) is much closer to that of private practice.</p>
<p>ps. If you look at public institutions, the salaries of all are posted (public info).</p>
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<p>so...what are you saying...how much do they make???</p>
<p>I think i've won this argument though...they simply don't make over $300,000 :)</p>
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<p>He's implying that they make substantially less than the CT surgeons who aren't in academia.</p>
<p>Would every attending at a teaching hospital have teaching/research/academic responsibilities?</p>
<p>So does this mean that if one works at a research oriented institution, such as Harvard, JHU, Cornell, Columbia, etc, those physicians will most likely be doing surgery b/c of the whole academic environment. If this is true, this doesn't surprise me since Harvard and JHU are top medical centers in nearly every field in medicine. It seems that it may have to do with their successful research exposure and experience. Also do it mean that surgeons do research also in these research-oriented hospitals? Do they possess MD/PhDs or MDs suffice? Also, do they do bench or clinical or a combination of the two or it varies.</p>
<p>Thanks and sorry for my barrage of questions.</p>
<p>vader, private practice CV surgeons make well over 300K</p>
<p>Blazen. If they work in a research oriented institution, they will usually be doing less surgery than one in private practice or non-research oriented (exceptions: Shumway ie heart transplant). Research will be combo bench and clinical. Some PhD, most not - but often work with PhD.</p>
<p>Usually the technically best surgeons of all flavors are in private practice as they do more and do it themselves (as opposed to teaching residents who have the knife in their hand). Intellectially, the academics have it beat.</p>
<p>Pdad. Can you help me out with the last part of your post? I'm a little slow.</p>
<p>As an academic surgeon - I rarely hold the knife. I have a chief resident or younger (the scarriest thing in the world is helping an intern do his first hernia - 14 swipes to cut the skin) whom I teach how to do the case.</p>
<p>Unlike most academics surgeons, I spent several years "cutting" before I went into academics. </p>
<p>Private practice docs just do it themselves. Usually quite good and fast.</p>
<p>However, if they have a very complicated case, they usually send it to us at the medical center to do.</p>
<p>So technically best is not the same as best in all ways.</p>
<p>Johns Hopkins Hospital staff do not make THAT much considering they have this interesting tuition plan in place for faculty members that....if you have a son or daughter in college, JHU medical systemw will pay 50% of your son's or daughters tuition bill for college in return for a salary that is kinda slightly below what they would normally get relative to the national average.</p>
<p>I have a friend who father works at Harvard medical school and he told me this since he had been recruited to work at the Johns Hopkins medical school. (He decided not to go because the tuition reimbursement plan didn't quite work out age wise since they had two sons whose years overlapped in college)</p>
<p>Witht that in mind, i would say that JHU Cardiothoracic surgeons make significantly less than 500K, maybe 250K-300K is my "educated" guess.</p>
<p>All of the older "tenured" faculty at Harvard and other ivy league schools have the tuition plan built in for not only their own school, but others in hte league. I know of tenured Harvard fac whose son went to yale free.</p>
<p>"All" state schools have that perc for their tenured faculty for same school.</p>
<p>I am not sure if that has continued with the new faculty or not.</p>
<p>Oops, I meant tuition reimbursement not for the same schools (but for any school of your choice). Now it works to recruit husbands and their spouses to work at Hopkins because the 50% bonuses are allowed to be combined to together for full coverage of son/daughters college tuition at any school. Its a good perk to have to not have to work about finaid and its burdens because your employer has got it covered.</p>
<p>WUSTL does the same thing -- they'll give you full tuition at WUSTL, or half of WUSTL's tuition at any other school if your parents are on faculty.</p>
<p>Thanks for all the opinions guys, but still which one of you wouldn't be happy pocketing $250K and possibly more per year, lol ;)</p>
<p>$250K is a very high salary. It becomes much lower when you consider that you have spent the past nine years earning $40K and the eight years before that paying $40K. Net income from age 18 to 35 is actually **negative **when you consider interest.</p>
<p>So yes, $250K is a high salary -- but you have spent the past 17 years of your life bleeding money in order to get there.</p>
<p>It's like we've been trying to explain to people: being a doctor is a pretty excellent way to get to a high salary, but that's not the correct measure of how much money you actually have.</p>
<p>I assume that the motto is to find a job that offers tuition reimbursement for your kids and then everyone is happy. By the way, can this tuition reimbursement be used to pay off one's college/med school loans?</p>
<p>Which is not very bright, to be honest. The value of the tuition benefit described is probably about $160K over four years (pre-tax). So if you find a job that pays $160K more over the course of your career (which is likely to be at least thirty years -- so about $5K a year, or about 2%), then you're all set.</p>
<p>why does the OP care how much a cardiothoracic surgeon at JHU makes? he/she will probably never become one, anyway.</p>