<p>Well why did the student cheat in the first place? His fault.</p>
<p>And being caught only in one incidence does not mean he only cheated once.</p>
<p>I don't understand why so many are angry at the person who told on the cheater. The high school's policy of not revealing any student's first cheating incident virtually gives every student a free pass to cheat until they are caught twice, and punishes those students who never cheat.</p>
<p>It is not true that everyone cheats. Not everyone cheats, and those who don't make that mistake deserve to have an edge in admissions. </p>
<p>Anyone can find a "reason" to cheat. The people with the strongest characters are the ones who never cheat.</p>
<p>It's also very unlikely that a cheater gets caught on their first offense.</p>
<p>No sympathy for the cheater from me, and no scorn for the person who turned them in. As far as I am concerned, the cheater got what they deserved.</p>
<p>The only people whom I feel sorry for are the students who didn't cheat and apply to Dartmouth from that school because due to the school's misguided policy which means that the school's reports to colleges are dishonest in some cases, every students' record from that school will now be viewed with a cynical eye by Dartmouth's admissions officers.</p>
<p>i don't believe the cheater deserves any sort of break...he broke the rules, so he needs to pay the consequences. too bad.
however, i also don't necessarily believe that the tattler was correct to do so.</p>
<p>"as long as the school sticks to the story that the kid didn't cheat, everything should be fine."</p>
<p>That in a nutshell is everything that's wrong with education today. Good for the "tattletale" and shame on the school for covering it up. It deserves to lose face with Dartmouth. The other kids who suffer should be mad at the school and the cheater, not at the informant.</p>
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Northstarmom- I completely agree with you.<br>
What's with all this hostility towards the "tattle tale"???</p>
<p>Since when did being honest (and doing nothing wrong) make this person worse than the cheater?</p>
<p>Johnshade, I'm not sure the school was purely trying to "cover" for the student who cheated. At my school, for instance, cheating doesn't go on the permanent record if the student is completely honest and open with us about what happened- and it's their first time (usually the same students who tremble with watery eyes the entire time). The other punishments (essay/ service/ retake with max 50% ect along with the parent and teacher reactions) are usually enough for the student to walk away with the right impression. For the most part we never see those students again. </p>
<p>"Teen court" acts in the same way. If the kid goes through all the hoops (again essays/ service/ classes/ workbooks/ ect- even sometimes work farm- usually after school expulsion) then the crime is wiped from their record. However if they are brought in again they skip teen court and move straight into the normal court system.</p>
<p>I think it's slightly zealous to report the incident directly to the college the student was applying to but I don't condemn what the person did. Even if the cheating or crime is cleared the kids will still have to explain the situation if they were asked questions (for ex) involving legal violations or misconduct. Now, however, instead of one brush condemning everyone the students who seriously understood their mistake and tried hard to make up for it are separated from the rest.
The school should have nothing to hide.</p>
<p>It's for Dartmouth to decide whether 'one incident' would make that student undesirable to the school. The 'tattletale' just gave Dartmouth access to all the information. The college deserves to make an educated decision, and the person who told did nothing wrong.</p>
<p>when i was in 8th grade I cheated for the first time and got in trouble...after that i was petrified every time i though of cheating b/c i remembered my teacher scolding me...if it was indeed this person's first time offense it was very mean for someone to go ahead and turn that person in...
people need time...no ones perfect geezz....:B</p>
<p>The point is, however, that it may or may not have been this person's first time offense.</p>
<p>"no one's perfect" yes, but cheating brings you so far down the morality scale that "perfection" is unattainable anyway.</p>
<p>Even if it was the person's first time offense, why should they get a free pass when presumably there are people at the school who have never cheated at all?</p>
<p>It seems that there are people here who think that cheating is a mistake that every high school student makes. I disagree.</p>
<p>Can't an IP address be tracked?</p>
<p>I have no sympathy for the cheater. Yeah, it was kinda low of someone to send an anonymous tip, clearly the tipper felt wronged by the cheater. Perhaps the person who tipped off Dartmouth was cheated off of? or maybe he was just jealous because he couldn't get in.</p>
<p>Either way, it is ingrained into your head as a 1st grader that cheating is bad. I don't think you should be lenient on cheaters, even first time cheaters. obviously everybody knows cheating is bad, and the fact that the person cheated, means he just didn't know the material, and wasn't smart enough to know that cheating could ruin him.</p>
<p>If I were on the admissions committee at Dartmouth, I would not accept that kid. He should have taken the low grade, and now, someone is actually enforcing justice in his case.</p>
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<p>You can be expelled from a university for cheating or plagiarizing. This whole "cheating's not that bad" idea costs tons people thousands of dollars, their careers, and their lives every year (just to add in that little dramatic touch).</p>
<p>The person chose to cheat and clearly wasn't skilled enough to avoid getting caught. My rule of how I live my life is that I don't do anything I'm not willing to face the consequences for. The consequences of cheating far outweigh any of the benefits as far as I can see.</p>
<p>"Perhaps the person who tipped off Dartmouth was cheated off of? or maybe he was just jealous because he couldn't get in."</p>
<p>Or maybe he's a person who applied to Dartmouth, too, has never cheated, and didn't want to get passed over for admission in favor of a cheater whom his school gave a free pass to.</p>
<p>There was that thread about someone being reported for cheating a while back, and I was appalled by how much sympathy went out to the cheater. I don't know whether that reflects on the CC mentality or not, but as someone who has made it through high school without cheating, I'm appalled at the idea of someone garnering more "success" than me by taking someone else's work for their own. I say the more cheaters we catch, the better.</p>
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Or maybe he's a person who applied to Dartmouth, too, has never cheated, and didn't want to get passed over for admission in favor of a cheater whom his school gave a free pass to."</p>
<p>Easy there, I'm on your side. I agree that the cheater should be punished.</p>
<p>That's what you get for making enemies.</p>
<p>WOW... people DO stoop very low to achieve their ambitions... (read The Sane Society for more).</p>
<p>Cheating is bad, but 'telling on' directly to a school to ruin someone else's whole life ambitions (I know its overstated, but you get the point)... that's just downright REPULSIVE</p>
<p>Hope whoever the teller is, he doesn't get accepted. The society needs honest people, but that doesnt mean that it needs wussi*s who deliberately report/accuse others for the sake of increasing their chances...</p>
<p>I mean, I really HATE people who ALWAYS cheat in my AP classes and get higher grades than me in tests, but I can at least silently assuage myself to the idea that they'll eventually have trouble in life. But there is a big difference between these petty cheaters and the Darthmouth dude. The Darthmouth dude, by all odds, had achieved and worked his as* off in road to his dream school, which leads to achieving his dream life. He just messed up once. Most people do so. Getting punished by a reject? Not a fair punishment.</p>
<p>Depends on whether the person reported was a chronic cheater or it was just a one time deal. If he/she was a chronic cheater, I would understand, but if it was a one time thing, the person who reported is obviously trying to get rid of competition</p>
<p>Study:</a> 50 percent of college students cheat at least once - Undefined Section</p>
<p>Cheating doesn't always indicate that the student is morally weak all of the time (if it did, then we'd have to define 50% of students as morally weak - also, the thing with cheating is that it's probably more likely with those who are struggling than with those who normally excel - as those who are struggling have less to lose if caught). However, deterrents sometimes need to be harsh in order to discourage the behavior, however harsh such deterrents are.</p>
<p>Cheating</a> in College - The Trump Blog says 70%</p>
<p>for my part, I sympathize with those who feel the need to cheat (especially when they are in extremely pressurized and emotional situations where they have, say, 10 minutes to just finish an assignment and did not anticipate that). (at the same time,my sympathy is worthless, as I sympathize with virtually anyone who "fails" at life; I read too much behavioral genetics and cognitive science) But on the same note, I realize that punishments are sometimes necessary for deterrence.</p>