Sometimes Smith wins, other times....

<p>Citrus, I think your D is exactly one of the young women that our regional alumni coordinator was vexed about not getting in this year. I hope she has a great time at Bryn Mawr. As part of the "squeezed middle" myself, I'm attuned to how others in our circumstances fare. I do with your D had appealed; FinAid does make "mistakes" and does recalculate when they do so.</p>

<p>PP, I'm a "guinea pig parent" for other parents to talk to at those teas and prospect parties. My specialty is parents who are dubious about Smith. There's a fair chance that I spoke with your mom at one point or another. I'm glad she gave Smith a chance.</p>

<p>Thank you for saying that TheDad. My D really wasn't a borderline candidate like some here intimated and really did like it an awful lot. Maybe in retrospect we should have appealed, but darn it, they were so far below the other offers we just didn't think it was even worth a try. We didn't attend the tea because i didn't want my D to get her hopes up for Smith when, with the offer as it stood, she could not have gone. </p>

<p>In the mean time, I am feeling a little weird for posting on the Smith board when my D will be going to another school, but I couldn't help it. I did want you to know that there were students who would hav loved to attend, but couldn't. I won't post here anymore. I'm sorry to bother you Smithies. Maybe you can talk to Smith about how they deal with the middle/upper middles? Next year perhaps our region will fair better. Good luck!</p>

<p>Two quick points:</p>

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<li><p>The list that I put up in post 17 is not ALL schools. They are a special subset that US News calls the Top Schools. On their website they have a second list with all schools. Frankly, there are some institutions that have a much higher percent of Pell Grants than Smith. Nonetheless, Smith's numbers are impressive, and much better than comparable colleges.</p></li>
<li><p>As an economist, I am disturbed by how many people on the CC discussion board use the term "middle class" to describe families earning in excess of $100,000. This is a good time for a reality check. I understand that paying $50,000 plus a year with little or no aid is often very difficult or impossible for those in the $100,000 to $150,000 (or more) income range, but that doesn't change the fact that we (and I do mean we) are the privileged in society. This may be the first time that we have encountered the frustration of not being able to afford something that our children have worked very hard to achieve, and that we think we have a right to expect. Perhaps we should temper our use of the term middle class, and focus instead on the government's mismanagement of our tax dollars. Further, if everyone could afford these elite schools, yields would invariably be higher, and acceptance rates would have to drop. The ugly truth is that there aren't enough spots for those who are deserving, so college's use, in part, ability to pay as a filter. </p></li>
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<p>I might also add that it discourages me to read those who are unsympathetic to the plight of the over $100,000 income group by arguing that elite colleges are overrated and large state institutions are just as good. This same group, when they think we aren't reading, often defend the Harvard, Princeton, and Yales as being better based on the increased opportunities that their graduates have experienced, particularly in the business world. They seem to want to have it both ways.</p>

<p>Anyway, my family got very, very lucky. Like Citrusbelt, our financial aid offers were all over the place. Looking at the list in post 36, my daughter was accepted to three of these schools, and there was an almost $10,000 difference in financial aid offers. Thankfully, her top choice, Carleton, worked with us on appeal, and it became affordable. </p>

<p>On the other hand, I have a second daughter who is a h.s. sophomore interested in engineering, and she is very interested in Smith. If we have the same experience as Citrusbelt, we are pretty much up the creek without a paddle. The other women's colleges don't have engineering departments, and in that respect, Bryn Mawr and Smith are not the same.</p>

<p>Just my 2 cents ....</p>

<p>Treeman, as an economist, I think you would probably agree that "middle class" is context dependent with a large part taking into account what local housing costs are. In some parts of of the country, our income would be regarded as very high. (Income is one thing, wealth another...we started far too late for the latter and didn't start with more than two dimes to rub together.) Around here, believe me, we're middle class...I'm in the homes of the wealthy all the time, I know the difference. Citrusbelt and I are in the same general high-priced boat...there are a few areas higher-priced than mine, but not many.</p>

<p>Citrus, out of curiosity, are you or your spouse self-employed?</p>

<p>I was thinking about my last post and started to laugh. I was thinking of class/wealth markers and how many we have. I count two: a low-end luxury car for one of our cars (I'm a real estate agent and it's pretty much what I need around here for credibility) and...our daughter has a Smith degree (in about six days). Of those economic markers for which most people would ordinarily use to define upper class or wealthy, we otherwise pretty much strike out. </p>

<p>Well, okay...I'm something of a snot about both education and being broadly literate but I don't think that's a class marker, that's just me being snotty.</p>

<p>Congratulations on your D and her Smith degree! Go ahead. Enjoy it. You deserve it!!!!</p>

<p>Well, um, she deserves it too ;-)</p>

<p>TD, just want to let you know that my daughter informed me of yet another student Smith lost because they offered an inferior aid package compared to peers. Although the student asked for the package to be re-evaluated, Smith did not increase anything in the end, so she went elsewhere.</p>

<p>According to the buzz on campus (which isn't always to be trusted), Smith has done some major cutting this year, both in financial aid and in program support. I don't know much about Smith's endowment, but it's possible the college took a major hit in the stock market/economic downturn. </p>

<p>That's not to say that Smith is downgrading its academics. In the competitive field of its peers, it cannot afford to do so.</p>

<p>SmithieandProud: Well, yes, but I was talking to the dad. He worked and sacrificed for this too; let him enjoy it.</p>

<p>If I were talking to the daughter of course I would be very enthusiastic about her accomplishments.</p>