<p>In the end, which one would be more beneficial?</p>
<p>Sophie Davis
-CUNY Tuition
-Guaranteed Med School Admission / no MCAT
-Primarily directed towards social medicine</p>
<p>Ivy League
-$$$,$$$,$$$ tuition
-MCAT
-Able to explore different fields in undergrad
-"Exposure"</p>
<p>i’m trying to figure that out too…please help</p>
<p>obviously if you get the chance take sophie davis. If you really want to be a doctor, you would take the shortest route where you would not rack up debt and GUARANTEED ADMISSIONS INTO MED SCHOOL, which is tough in it of itself. and what do you mean by “exposure”?</p>
<p>Sophie Davis, because some of the affiliated medical schools are amazing.</p>
<p>I’d take Sophie Davis in a heartbeat.</p>
<p>There are some programs I wouldn’t, like the WashU one where you need a crazy GPA to get into the med school part, but for that, I probably would.</p>
<p>Ok, let’s approach this from a rational perspective and actually look at the program, which it’s quite obvious the other posts above haven’t:</p>
<p>Your undergraduate degree is done at CUNY - City College: [CUNY–City</a> College - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report<a href=“they%20are%20only%20ranked%20for%20the%20Master’s%20programs,%20not%20undergraduate”>/url</a></p>
<p>There is a legal service agreement: [url=<a href=“http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_serviceagreement.cfm]BS”>http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_serviceagreement.cfm]BS</a> MD Program Service Agreement](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/new-york-ny/city-college-2688]CUNY--City”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/new-york-ny/city-college-2688)</p>
<p>Thus, already from the beginning being restricted to doing primary care (as you owe them 2 years as a primary care physician). This is a decision that will affect the rest of your career. You may want to go into specialty medicine, not primary care.</p>
<p>Students in the Sophie Davis School are required to earn a grade of “B” or better in all biomedical subjects. My guess is this also includes medical school level basic science courses, which can be very difficult (that is why most other medical schools have their basic science classes done with some form of pass/fail, rather than letter grades, as these classes are more difficult than undergraduate science courses).</p>
<p>[BS</a> MD Program Curriculum](<a href=“http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_curriculum.cfm]BS”>http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_curriculum.cfm)
According to the curriculum it’s impossible to be able to apply out as you do not take some of the premed requirements (Organic I and II, for example).</p>
<p>Your entire basic science education is done at CUNY- City College NOT at the specific medical school. This is important to keep in mind as you have to take the USMLE Step I and do well on it (for application to competitive residency programs), before you get to actually transfer to the medical school.</p>
<p>One part of the website says the medical schools currently participating in the program are:
[BS</a> MD Program](<a href=“http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram.cfm]BS”>http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram.cfm), with the top tier programs being Dartmouth and NYU.</p>
<ul>
<li>Albany Medical College</li>
<li>Dartmouth Medical School</li>
<li>New York Medical College</li>
<li>New York University School of Medicine</li>
<li>The State University of New York (SUNY) Health Science Center at Brooklyn</li>
<li>SUNY at Stony Brook School of Medicine</li>
</ul>
<p>However, on another page it says the participating medical schools ([BS</a> MD Program Curriculum](<a href=“http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_curriculum.cfm]BS”>http://www1.ccny.cuny.edu/prospective/med/programs/bsmdprogram_curriculum.cfm)) are</p>
<ul>
<li>Albany Medical College</li>
<li>SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse</li>
<li>New York Medical College</li>
<li>New York University School of Medicine</li>
<li>State University of New York (SUNY) Health Science Center at Brooklyn</li>
<li>SUNY Stony Brook School of Medicine</li>
</ul>
<p>, so if you were thinking of possibly going to Dartmouth’s medical school through this program, this is no longer the case.</p>
<p>Also, you do not get to pick which medical school to go to: </p>
<p>"Early in the Fall semester of the third year, students begin the application process to the six cooperating medical schools: Albany Medical College, New York Medical College, New York University School of Medicine, State University of New York (SUNY) Health Science Center at Brooklyn, SUNY Stony Brook School of Medicine, and the SUNY Health Science Center at Syracuse.</p>
<p>Candidates generally are invited to interview with several of the medical schools to which they have applied. Over the next few months, the medical schools rank their applicants and students rank the schools in order of preference. In the matching process, both the preference of the schools and of the students is taken into account. Students are provisionally admitted to one of the medical schools. While each school has a limited number of places, most students are admitted to one of the schools to which they have given a high ranking.</p>
<p>Following the successful completion of the first five years of the curriculum and passing Part I of the U.S. Medical Licensure Examinations, students transfer to the medical school to which they were admitted to complete their clinical training."</p>
<p>In the end it really depends what your personal future career goals are with respect to Sophie Davis. Personally, I would choose the Ivy.</p>
<p>An above poster said that Sophie Davis no longer is in conjunction with Dartmouth Medical School but I don’t believe this to be the case. In reality I think that Dartmouth Medical School was the last medical school added to the list and that’s why it’s on some parts of the Sophie Davis site (the recently updated parts) and not on the older parts of the site. You should probably call them to find out if Sophie is still affiliated with Dartmouth.</p>
<p>In any case, what I would want to know is how many students Sophie Davis accepts every year and how many of those students end up staying in the program and making it to one of their affiliated medical schools. I know Brooklyn College BA/MD has about a 50 percent retention rate (half of the students enrolled in BA/MD end up staying in the program and entering the affiliated medical school - SUNY Downstate) and the rest have to apply, some of whom end up going to DO or Caribbean. </p>
<p>If Sophie has a good percentage of it’s students staying in and making it to the Medical School - then I would pick that over an Ivy I suppose. If it’s at or lower than 50 percent - I think I’d just go to an Ivy League School. I know places like Princeton University have about a 85 percent acceptance to a US Medical School.</p>
<p>Another important factor in your decision between the two should be the location and experience. I’m currently a college student and trust me: you only go to college once, so you better make the most of it. Don’t go to Sophie Davis if you hate City College. The CUNY system is very, very different from going to college anywhere. Many of your classmates are going to be part time students and many will be older individuals with kids of their own, as well as people with full time jobs and other obligations. Most students in the CUNY system do not stay around after classes end, and rush right to their homes to continue on with their lives. It is extremely different from any other college where there are dorms and the students all tend to be around our age. The Sophie Davis program did create the Towers recently in order to provide housing for the students in the program and I have heard good things about this in that it helps build community, but I would check it out myself if I were you.</p>
<p>That’s just my 2 cents.</p>