St Andrew's School, Delaware

<p>(apologies for the length)</p>

<p>Tad Roach, headmaster at SAS since 1997, speaks often of the school’s effort to be a “counter-cultural” community. That’s a novel use of the term, given its associations going back to the 1960s. He essentially posits a healthy, balanced community that seeks to prepare young people for college and for civic leadership without buying into the fads and hype and practices that prevail elsewhere. </p>

<p>I agree that it is about kindness and resilience, hope and transformation over “strategizing for success”, a common response to the hyper-competitive college admissions scene. Here, I’d like to dial back the focus lens a bit. What should not be overlooked is how much dialogue takes place among all constituencies of this small community, where the whole 370 adults and kids congregate often for both formal and informal occasions, and Harkness teaching is nurtured year after year. Tad “preaches” often and unapologetically, but the students and other teachers are encouraged to speak up. After doing as much listening as St. Andreans do, and acquiring the reading and experiences that they do, it’s not surprising that they in fact have lots to say or to write. Teens entering into dialogue with adults is itself notoriously suspect, as we “know”: excepting the brown-nosers, the generations don’t have all that much in common, or much respect for each other, or the ability to communicate. Tad Roach powerfully leads the community out of this wilderness, and I’d submit that a very high percentage of the student body is willing to make the journey of true learning and growth. When applicant families discover SAS, they find this singular mission unmistakably addressed to them. The “counter-cultural” message and Tad’s passion for it can be so attractive that some have commented very positively on the school even after they ended up attending elsewhere. </p>

<p>There is nothing mysterious about the choices that enable the “counter-cultural ethos”. The first is a circumscribed approach to utilizing digital technologies. New parents and students quickly realize that these modern tools are evident on campus, but not used to the extent they are at other independent schools. There is no real-time reporting of homework and grades to the parents, few gaming stations on corridor, and there are limits on cell phone and laptop use, among other things. When Mrs. Roach talks to the school community about the art of conversation and Mr. Roach reflects on his father’s passing by bringing up reading, you know that the school is consciously tackling the digital tsunami that is modern life. In fact, he writes that, “cultivation of a love of reading is perhaps the most important responsibility we have as a school, for this commitment to expansion, regeneration and creativity will serve our students for a lifetime.” Growing, authentically, the human skills by which we must relate to one another is the priority. </p>

<p>Secondly, St. Andrew’s will long be wholly residential and no more than 310-315 students. This is what sets the school apart from the vast majority of its day and boarding peers (Groton, Thacher and Cate, the most comparable to SAS, have day students). The dialogue amidst a unified teacher-student community, the virtual absence of drugs and alcohol, the high level of engagement with the natural world on a 2100 acre campus, the emphasis on spiritual traditions and exploration (from the Founder’s “faith and learning”) – all of these exceptional outcomes are made possible by the willingness to stick at what has been determined as the sweet spot for best serving the kids who want this kind of experience. St. Andrew’s adapts and changes, for it is neither reactionary or Luddite, and so is fortunate, by virtue of the signal decisions in its history and the stewardship of its loyal families, to have gained a maturity deserving of recognition.</p>

<p>Forgot to include mention of this in my Parents Weekend recap:
A number of Headmaster Tad Roach’s talks have been compiled in a book entitled “Reflections on Education, Culture & St. Andrew’s 1997-2012”.</p>

<p>These talks had previously been compiled in two booklets (as well as online), and the new book combines those and includes some new material. Reading Tad’s talks definitely made me a fan of SAS when we were still a prospective family.</p>

<p>IMO, families interested in SAS should read at least a few of the talks/essays in “Reflections”…to get a better sense of what the school values and fosters.</p>

<p>The book is available as a PDF file here:
<a href=“http://www.standrews-de.org/data/files/gallery/ContentGallery/Reflections_19972012_DTRJr.pdf[/url]”>http://www.standrews-de.org/data/files/gallery/ContentGallery/Reflections_19972012_DTRJr.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It’s a fairly large file, so have patience. FWIW, the cover of the book gives you a good sense for the size of the campus and its relative remove from the town of Middletown.</p>

<p>I’ve done some search and get the impression that SAS has a strong fine arts program. Could anyone, SevenDad, Charger78 or anyone give an update? How is it differentiated from other schools with strong arts program?</p>

<p>Looks like the Sox have this in hand . . . </p>

<p>It is a strong program in my view, but what objective measure allows for comparisons? And is there any aspect that is of most interest to you, visual, choral, instrumental, ceramic, photography, video, theater, dance, etc.? (SAS does all of these.) It has to be said that there are many “strong arts programs” at the top 20 or so boarding schools. Two that have been discussed on these boards include Choate and Concord Academy. What you will find at these schools are, for the arts, great physical resources, superb teachers, and strong students. To my mind, perhaps the greatest distinguishing factor is the percentage of students in the programs deemed to be generalists or specialists, and this mostly has to do with the size of the student population. </p>

<p>SAS is more of a school for generalists, many of whom develop notable, even spectacular, talents over their BS careers. They do not often arrive in Middletown as “recruited” superstars, though certainly there are a sprinkling of these. One graduate from last year was a gifted instrumentalist who even conducted the orchestra, was All-State as a performer, and accepted to Julliard. Mr. Geiersbach expected he could have had a great experience there; in the end, this great student chose Princeton instead. A place like Choate gets a higher percentage of students with advanced skills in the arts right out of the gate, and they likely do pursue college admission with the skill as a guiding factor. Certainly, this is very much a function of the relative sizes of the schools, 300 vs. 850, say, in which the larger schools all will hunt for specialists in the “build a class” approach discussed often here. CA is a lot like SAS as a smaller school. </p>

<p>St. Andrew’s has a very fine facility for the arts in the O’Brien Center, opened around 2005, and an okay Forbes Theater in the bowels of Founders Hall. The O’Brien auditorium is an intimate yet spacious, and often filled to capacity. This was built as a state of the art facility and has good spaces for everything, though dance and drama can be done elsewhere. The required freshmen “Intro to the Arts” course exposes students to four different disciplines in small groups that are very effectively taught.</p>

<p>I think that the best way to judge the teaching mentors in the arts is to view the performances that are posted on the school’s Livestream account. An example would be the recent Parents Weekend performance of “Midsummer Night’s Dream”, in which you can see the set and adaptation of the work to the performers (who had about seven weeks to prepare in the afternoons, as an afternoon, or sports time, activity). Ms. Ann Taylor’s productions are as good as any I’ve seen at several other schools. I think you just have to view things online, take in live performances or rehearsals if possible, and also talk with the teachers. </p>

<p>In the end, I’d decide what kind of school you want (size, location, etc.) so that you can attempt to compare schools as apples to apples, then compare the details of their arts that matter most to you. At that point, the actual teachers might appear more or less appealing when matched up. In other words, it makes more sense to compare SAS to schools like Concord, Episcopal, Groton, Middlesex, Mercersburg, Blair, or maybe even SPS, than it does to Choate, L’ville, or Andover (as far as the East Coast goes). </p>

<p>My children at SAS are involved in music, dance, theater and Choral Scholars, but also play sports, as do nearly all of the young students. They are really pushed in the classroom and learn that striving is about learning lessons for life. Ultimately, and most importantly, St. Andrean artists are expected to do their best “on stage” with the unequivocal support of a very tight-knit community, and so we see continual growth that is remarkable. Feel free to follow up, and good luck!</p>

<p>I just want to say that, although I have a child at a different BS, I read this thread because the people who write on it are always totally positive and give lots of great information-- without ever trashing any other school. I wish more of the threads here were like that. It says a lot about the people who choose SAS.</p>

<p>I agree. That’s why I came to this thread with my question.</p>

<p>Charger78, I was asking about visual arts like painting and drawing. I do appreciate your long and detailed answer, as my child plays a couple of instruments too. Thank you.</p>

<p>"I’ve done some search and get the impression that SAS has a strong fine arts program. Could anyone, SevenDad, Charger78 or anyone give an update? How is it differentiated from other schools with strong arts program?</p>

<p>…I was asking about visual arts like painting and drawing."</p>

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<p>I can only speak from the POV of my daughter, who is taking her first painting class this year as a junior…as her schedule in years one and two didn’t leave room for art due to a double language track.</p>

<p>She loves the class, taught by Art Department Co-Chair John McGiff. In our parent teacher conference a few weeks ago, he said that she’s often in the studio in her free time working on her painting (oil)…so I think the goal of fostering/cultivating a love of the arts has been met.</p>

<p>Will she be the next Picasso? Probably not, but I’ve seen student work there that I think is quite strong…in paint, graphite, and mixed media. The school also has a great photography program (which thankfully, still uses film cameras), led by Joshua Meier and some of the student films (film program is run by Peter Hoopes) I’ve seen over the years have been great. A quick scan of the school site shows they also teach ceramics (Elizabeth McGiff, who is married to John).</p>

<p>As I probably have noted before, SAS has its share of exceptional individuals in all the arts (visual and performing) but it also supports the rank beginner and everyone in between. One of the boys in my daughter’s form is a really good photographer (and I say this as the husband of someone in the business).</p>

<p>SAS seems to have similar studio space as other schools we’ve visited…and I hear that they spin vintage vinyl during the art classes. They do not have a woodworking shop like Groton.</p>

<p>Thanks 7Dad! This is very helpful.</p>

<p>OT, do you think in general SAS values traditional or old-fashioned culture? Like film cameras, vintage vinyl, or things like that… Nothing wrong with them. Just curious.</p>

<p>“do you think in general SAS values traditional or old-fashioned culture”</p>

<p>Don’t get me wrong…the school does have all sort of digital doodads. I think the film classes use 5D MkII (vs. 16 mm) cameras, there are programming classes, computer labs, and even the now-ubiquitous 3D printer.</p>

<p>But here’s another thought:</p>

<p>Ask audiophiles what sounds better, a well preserved vinyl record vs. a CD of the same material (played through equipment of equal quality), and most will say the record. </p>

<p>They’ll probably mention the warmth of the analog recording trumping the more clinical sound offered by the digital disk. Despite the hisses and pops, and occasional skips. </p>

<p>And I think most photographers over the age of 30 would say the same thing about film vs. digital images…it’s less about ultimate resolution than warmth, richness, and imparting an overall mood.</p>

<p>I think that isn’t a bad way to think about SAS and some of their practices/customs.</p>

<p>Like a number of other schools, SAS has a few sit-down “formal” meals a week. They have a “jacket and tie” dress code. There are more than a few kids sporting bowties, and not ironically. They do not have internet in the dorm rooms and have a “no cell phone in public spaces” policy (as do other schools). They have a mandatory chapel program.</p>

<p>All of these things may seem old-fashioned/traditional. And perhaps they are. But going back to the “counter cultural” notion Charger78 and I have been trying to talk around recently…I think it’s all part of the school’s attempt to focus on what it feels is important.</p>

<p>A final anecdote:
Over the years I’ve been on the CC BS forum, I’ve heard other parents remark that the first time they talk to their AO/Dir of Admissions is often the last time. NOTHING could be farther than the truth for us in our experience at SAS. I chat with Louisa Zendt and our AO pretty much every time we’re on campus — and not because I’m trying to win points so they admit 7Daughter2 this year (she’s not applying due the elite sports factor I mention elsewhere). I chat with them because I like them and appreciate their work. They still seem interested in my older daughter and her growth at SAS. And I could say this about any number of the adult leaders at SAS…including headmaster Tad Roach.</p>

<p>What about the SAS kids, do they value “traditional or old-fashioned culture”? Well, at 100% residential and time to kill in between sports seasons and on Sundays, what is there to do? Check out this short vid showing kids in action, and tell me about the culture. A useful (non-marketing) look especially for prospective families.</p>

<p>[The</a> Start of the Disc Club - YouTube](<a href=“The Start of the Disc Club - YouTube”>The Start of the Disc Club - YouTube)</p>

<p>I remember a former colleague whose oft-repeated and tongue-in-cheek explanation for why he was always “working”, as in committees and reports beyond the usual 24/7 stuff, was, “it’s all about the kids”. </p>

<p>The SAS trustees are similarly motivated to keep the focus on the kids. They host small gatherings around the country, anywhere they can rustle up alumni, past parents, and current parents, so they can sit around and hear these people’s different perspectives on the school experience. What’s more, it is something extraordinary to have the headmaster there, listening intently for an hour or so, silently taking notes that inform his own understanding of what’s working, what might need examining and what are concerns going ahead. Along with 7Dad’s stopping by for an afternoon conversation with Tad during his first daughter’s year, these anecdotes reveal an extraordinary amount of accessibility to the school’s leadership. </p>

<p>The school does much to foster leadership skills among the teachers who administrate, apropos of another thread over on Parents. Will Spears, I think, is probably satisfied to end his career at SAS, and showed how reliably he can fill in for Tad at a moment’s notice. In recent years, the school lost Mr. Austin as he headed to Jordan to become headmaster of the King’s Academy. Closer to home, Mr. Caldwell became headmaster at Morristown-Beard, a day school in New Jersey. Females are currently prominent in admissions, college counseling, various Dean’s offices, and the business office. Since Tad is only the fourth headmaster in the school’s history, and was an internal promotion, it may very well be that years down the road the next head is an insider.</p>

<p>That Disc Club video is great…shows the campus/facilities off well, in addition to some good trick shots/initiative by students to start clubs.</p>

<p>I don’t know how this came about or if it ever aired live, but…hilarious:</p>

<p><a href=“NBC's Football Night in America Crew Picks St. Andrew's Over Tatnall in the 2013 Cannon Game - YouTube”>NBC's Football Night in America Crew Picks St. Andrew's Over Tatnall in the 2013 Cannon Game - YouTube;

<p>^^^ are you kidding me!??! </p>

<p>They’re finally talking about a game that matters.</p>

<p>Are you required to take an arts class or play sports? Also, is the experience at SAS the same for all students regardless of wealth, or are students who are not as well-off treated differently by peers? I am also curious about what you are allowed to bring with you in your dorm room, and what supplies should you buy for your school year. I know this school has religious services, if you are agnostic or don’t have a strong faith does it affect your overall experience? I know the school address many of these questions, but I would like the input of students and parents of SAS.</p>

<p>Beanzie…all good questions, and ones that prospects should probably ask about any school they are considering. I’ll try to address your questions to the best of my ability.</p>

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<li>Are you required to take an arts class or play sports? </li>
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<p>I think all Third Formers (freshman) take a full year arts “survey” course, where they do a little bit of everything. After that, I think arts are optional, but many students choose arts classes for electives.</p>

<p>Regarding sports, I think you are required to have some afterschool activity. There are a few levels of sports (Varsity, JV, Thirds), so it’s fine if you’ve never played a sport but want to try it (many kids try crew at SAS for the first time). That said, I’m pretty sure being in a play/musical counts towards the “after school activity” requirement. Also, there is Organic Gardening in the fall (and possibly the spring) as well as Forestry (someone’s got to help maintain those thousands of acres) in the Winter. My daughter plays fall and spring sports and does Forestry in the winter.</p>

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<li>Also, is the experience at SAS the same for all students regardless of wealth, or are students who are not as well-off treated differently by peers?</li>
</ul>

<p>At SAS, as with many of the BS mentioned on this forum, there are kids from families of extreme wealth. But from our observations of various schools we’ve visited/revisited, there is much less of a divide between the “haves” and “have nots” at SAS than at other schools. I think that is part of the culture of St. Andrew’s, and the result of admitting kids from families that they feel have instilled good values, regardless of how affluent they are. It felt and feels very inclusive to us.</p>

<ul>
<li>I am also curious about what you are allowed to bring with you in your dorm room, and what supplies should you buy for your school year. </li>
</ul>

<p>You are not allowed to bring a gaming console for your room, I’m pretty sure of that. And no hot plates (for safety). I think seniors are allowed to have refrigerators. You cannot substitute furniture for any that is supplied (again, I think for safety/liability reasons)…so you have to use the desk, chair, and bed that are supplied. There are a bunch of other regulations that are in the handbook (no weapons, no offensive posters, etc.).</p>

<p>Regarding supplies, there are plenty of threads on that already, and IMO worry about that after you get admitted.</p>

<p>-I know this school has religious services, if you are agnostic or don’t have a strong faith does it affect your overall experience? </p>

<p>We are a church-going family, so I can’t really comment from an agnostic/atheist POV. </p>

<p>It is my opinion that St. Andrew’s encourages belief in a higher power…and I think this excerpt from David Foster Wallace’s famous commencement speech at Kenyon sums up why quite well: </p>

<p>“Because here’s something else that’s weird but true: in the day-to-day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship. And the compelling reason for maybe choosing some sort of god or spiritual-type thing to worship–be it JC or Allah, be it YHWH or the Wiccan Mother Goddess, or the Four Noble Truths, or some inviolable set of ethical principles–is that pretty much anything else you worship will eat you alive.”</p>

<p>I had the privilege of attending chapel at SAS for the first time this past Parents Weekend and enjoyed being part of it. If, however, you are the sort of person who considers sitting through a faith service of of any type a hardship/waste of time, then I would probably look at other schools — especially those without a chapel program.</p>

<p>I hope this helps…best of luck with your search and application process.</p>

<p>I will comment on SAS from the atheist perspective.</p>

<p>We knew going in that SAS was an Episcopal school and we were fine with our son being exposed to Episcopal traditions, and thought the mandatory chapel was a great community builder. SAS has students of many faiths and as much as I could tell, these were honored and expressed through the Episcopal lens just fine.</p>

<p>One thing threw us, however, when our son casually announced that instead of going to the chapel service, he was taking the SAS bus to the Catholic service in town. Why? Because it started later or was shorter (I can’t remember which anymore). We had no idea that the Catholic mass was an allowed alternative, the only permitted exception.</p>

<p>This seems to me to probably be a relic from the days when SAS admitted mostly Episcopal boys with a few Catholics (although this is conjecture on my part). I do not think it is a good policy, as it undermines the communal nature of the Episcopal service for students of all faiths. Unless SAS is going to allow students of different faiths to attend their own services in lieu of Sunday chapel, this seems to me to be an endorsement of Catholicism over other religions and fosters resentment among non-Catholic, non-Episcopalian students. </p>

<p>Again, as an atheist, I had no problems with all students required to attend any mandatory church services in the chapel at this Episcopal school. I did and do have problems with a selective, religious-based exemption that applies to one religion. </p>

<p>This is, of course, more of an issue for parents to take up with SAS if others are in agreement, but thought it might shed some light from a different perspective. Chapel is one of the important ways St. Andrew’s builds its community. It is lovely for students to be exposed to the traditions from which SAS sprung.</p>

<p>Thanks for chiming in, Quenn. For some reason, I also thought they had shuttle service to the local synagogue as well?</p>

<p>One quick note about SAS. If you want to see the campus without visiting, watch Dead Poets Society; it was filmed there. What a gorgeous school!</p>

<p>@agentwood: There used to be footage of the opening scenes of DPS, which I think are about as good an ad as any for the school’s beauty, on YouTube, but they have been pulled down.</p>

<p>The West Wing episodes that feature Jed Barlett’s prep school years were also filmed at SAS.</p>

<p>[Young</a> Jed meets Delores Landingham West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube](<a href=“Young Jed meets Delores Landingham West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube”>Young Jed meets Delores Landingham West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube)
[Mrs</a> Landingham gives young Bartlett numbers West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube](<a href=“Mrs Landingham gives young Bartlett numbers West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube”>Mrs Landingham gives young Bartlett numbers West Wing S2 E 22 Two Cathedrals - YouTube)</p>