Stanford Admissions Dilemma [Complex]

Hello,

I’m in sort of a quandary concerning my Stanford application and I need some advice…

Despite wanting to apply as an Early Action candidate to Stanford last November, I was told by the admission office that the 62 college credits I have accumulated (and the resulting anticipated completion of my A.A. degree) from an Early College program required me to apply as a transfer. Because I am only eighteen years old, however, I am dedicated to the prospect of a full four-year experience at Stanford. When I submitted my transfer application in March, I included a lengthy appeal of sorts which contended that despite my accumulated college credits, my application should be considered for freshman admission instead. Just yesterday I heard back from Stanford – they accepted my appeal, agreeing that I may be considered for freshman candidacy instead of transfer status, but claimed that they could not offer me admission to the Class of 2009 because a waiting list had already been assembled for any available spaces.

Though I am appreciative of the fact that I am being considered for freshman admission, I am nevertheless frustrated that I never had the opportunity to be fully considered under early action or even regular review. With the window of opportunity closing as May waitlist admission offers are made, I am not sure what to do. Of course I will accept a spot on the waitlist, but I am not sure how much of a chance there will be this late in the game. It’s rather disappointing that challenging myself with early college work has essentially precluded me from receiving normal consideration for freshman admission – had I been able to apply in November, space would not have been an issue.

Anyway, does anyone have any advice for me? This is a rather complex matter, but Stanford is my dream school and I do not want to miss out. Below is the text of the letter I received from Stanford yesterday… I’m told it’s the standard waitlist letter but with a few changes for my unusual circumstances. Is this letter just a polite rejection or is the fact that they offered me a place on the waiting list so late in the game a sign that they are planning on letting me in? Oy…

By the way, I’ve been accepted as a <em>transfer</em> (ick) into Georgetown, Brown, Bard, and UC Berkeley (out-of-state).

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Dear Ian,

We have just completed our review of your application as well as your appeal to be considered as a freshman applicant. I write to offer you a place on our freshman waiting list. Please know that your file was reviewed as a freshman and your significant strengths were viewed in the context of that pool, not in the context of the transfer applicant pool. Although we cannot offer you admission at this time, I want to assure you that any student we place on our waiting list is someone who has shown great promise, whom we would like to be able to admit if space becomes available.

Should you choose to accept a place on our waiting list – and I encourage you to do so if Stanford is where you would like to be this fall - we would notify you of your status by late June. We realize that you may need to respond to offers of admission at other colleges before that time, and we advise you to secure a place at another college. The college to which you commit at this time will understand if you are later offered admission from the waiting list to Stanford.

Please let us know whether or not you wish to be included on this list by returning the enclosed card by June 10, 2005. If you do decide to remain on the waiting list, we ask that you arrange to have your final spring grades sent to the Office of Undergraduate Admission as soon as possible.

We appreciate your patience with this process and your willingness to be flexible. I hope you understand how impressed we were with your application and how much we value your interest in Stanford.

With best wishes,
Anna Marie Porras
Director of Admission

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<p>well, from what I have read on this site, chances for anyone getting off the waitlist are pretty slim</p>

<p>it seems you wanted to have it both ways, and maybe should have anticipated the problem with wanting to come in with so many credits as a freshman. </p>

<p>What would the difference have been if you had gone in as a transfer? Many kids stay beyond the four years anyway, so most likely, with grad school etc you would have had the chance</p>

<p>hindsight and all that, but maybe your dilema could help others</p>

<p>The problem was that I was not willing to put my prospective future at Stanford at risk by being subject to a 4% admit rate in the transfer pool.. I believe I made it clear to them that my desire to attend Stanford transcended freshman/transfer status and that I would want to go no matter what they would want to take me as. IF I could have applied in November as an Early Action candidate (or even regular review), I would have.</p>

<p>got it, what a frustrating situation</p>

<p>were they going to accept all your credits as a freshman, and if not, could you have just not submitted them as credits in the fall and started over as a freshman at Stanford in the EA pool? Just curious.</p>

<p>I am asking because I am sure other kids will find themselves in similar circumstances and if we can see what some of the options might have been, maybe your experience could help others.</p>

<p>I could not have applied to Stanford through early action or regular review because of their strict policy:</p>

<p>“If you have been enrolled full time in college/university after leaving high school, or have attended part time and accumulated 26 or more semester units or 39 or more quarter units of transferable course credit by the time you transfer, you must apply for transfer admission.” </p>

<p>It was through submitting this appeal, a supplement to my transfer application, that I was able to convince them that I should be considered for freshman admission. However, unfortunately, when this appeal was read, the freshman class had already been assembled.</p>

<p>If I could have done it over, I would have just ignored what the admission counselor told me and submitted an early action application -- along with the appeal for freshman candidacy.</p>

<p>transferrable credit - so when you took the college classes, did the school you took that classes through let you know this situation could come up? that would have been helpful</p>

<p>what was your reason for taking the college classes</p>

<p>are you going in as a "freshman" at your college now, but taking upper level courses?</p>

<p>I attend Bard High School Early College, a new "early college" innovation that allows 11th and 12th graders to take college courses with professors from Bard College and other institutions of higher education. All classes taken in the 11th and 12th grade are credited toward the Bard College A.A. (two-year) degree.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.bard.edu/bhsec/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.bard.edu/bhsec/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Anyway, my chances of attending Stanford are not completely gone, there is still a passage of communication open that comes along with being on such a late waiting list. I should stand out on the list due to my unusual circumstances and A.A. degree, and I can write a ton on why Stanford is my dream school. Additionally, unlike every other waitlisted candidate, I never was given full consideration for freshman admission. Any advice for squeaking into the class of 2009?</p>

<p>from what i understand, they should have reviewed ur file at the same time as other regulars, so you would be on the waitlist regardless.</p>

<p>and about the 4% transfer rate- it should be noted that transfer applicants were those unable to earn freshman acceptance in the first place, meaning you wouldnt necessarily have to be a more competitive candidate to enter as a transfer than as a freshman.</p>

<p>nonetheless, good luck with the waitlist. try not to dwell on "what if"s.</p>

<p>I submitted my transfer application on March 15, it was not reviewed until the end of April or early May. By that time, the class of 2009 had already been assembled.</p>

<p>I need advice though, not "what ifs" :/</p>

<p>advice on what, exactly? like how to get off the waitlist?</p>

<p>How to push my unusual situation in order to gain admission! This is not over yet! ;)</p>

<p>okay, try having people contact them on your behalf, and set up an appointment on campus to discuss the situation. that kind of initiative could definitely improve your chances, assuming they take anybody off the waitlist this year.</p>

<p>You were given not the best advice from the college admission advisor...the people that accepted your appeal, are they the same people as the admin people? because maybe they could advocoate for you</p>