Stanford: hell or heaven?

<p>Hi!</p>

<p>I am a prospective stanford student, and would like your comments on a particularly negative review of stanford. If you are a stanford alumni, I especially appreciate your comment and expertise. I found this review on studentreview.com, and although it may be full of crap, how much truth is there within the comments. Even reading this gave me chills down the spine.</p>

<p>Also, i’m not trying to ■■■■■, just trying to find some advices. The studentreview.com comment is kind of long, so I am really sorry (you can just skim over it)</p>

<p>My characteristics:</p>

<li>prospective engineering physics or engineering (ChemE) student</li>
<li>passionate about learning: I don’t just want the degree, I would really like sensational (OK, maybe too strong adjective) lectures, inspirational comrades, and good research opportunities. How good is stanford for undergraduate research and grad school compared to a school like MIT or caltech?</li>
<li>strong work ethic</li>
<li>I have a strong aversion of grade-grubbers and too much pre-professionalism</li>
<li>I preferably like good grad school placement or employment opportunity or alumni connection system (I’m pretty sure Stanford’s strong on all three)</li>
</ol>

<p>Am I looking at the right place?</p>

<p>Thanks so much.</p>

<p>(supposedly from a stanford student) "Ah yes… Leland Stanford Junior University, what a great combination of Athletics and Academics, what a fun, talented and motivated student body, and what a great location to boot!</p>

<p>Before I begin, I will say there is some truth to Stanford’s well known selling points, but that the University, the student body, and the campus atmosphere also have their flaws. I will share my criticisms in list form:</p>

<p>Lack of idealism - Lack of committment to service and activism - Pre-professionalism</p>

<p>Stanford is not the campus for the budding social activist or political revolutionary. The vast majority of students here do not choose to use the power and influence of their education to advance change, but rather act in insulated self interest to preserve the status quo and stay on top of the heap. Stanford has often been described as an incubator for high tech companies, and that is truly what it acts as for students in many fields, a sheltered, artificially sunny bubble in which to “grow up”. Students may talk radically, but no one walks the walk. </p>

<p>Conformity - Elitism</p>

<p>Stanford students are a remarkably alike bunch. They often differentiate themselves in meaningless, tokenistic ways, but when it comes down to it most think and act remarkably similarly. The Stanford Student is white, s/he is from Southern California, s/he likes to skateboard and surf and lie in the sun, s/he makes biggoted jokes, always appears happy-go lucky, is intensely concerned with post college life and future financial security but does their best to hide it.</p>

<p>Lack of diversity - Racial insulation</p>

<p>Stanford is not diverse. True we have a lot of Asians but they keep to themselves, have no campus presence, and are even worse pre-professionals and elitists than the rest. Blacks and Latinos comprise about 15% of the student body, and have little influence. Campus ethnic centers and departments have been created, but these don’t do enough to make the campus truly diverse. Stanford fails diversity where many institutions do, by paying lip service to diversity but not embracing it. Furthermore there is widespread racial insulation. The ethnic theme dorms do not help this matter, nor does the de facto segregation between the white row houses and largely black apartment complex Mirrielees. Frat parties have the same token black faces week in and week out, while black parties attract few whites.</p>

<p>Astonishingly weak social scene - Very little dating</p>

<p>There is never anything fun to do on campus on the weekends. The frat parties are all the same, and they consist of many Stanford Students (as caricatured above) standing around drinking, saying what’s up to casual, insubstantial acquaintances, listening to the same tired records from 1996 by the same tired DJ, DJ Kenny G, and usually wearing Hawaiian shirts. Worse yet, there is usually only one such party to chose from! Then there are the many in room parties, which consist of alcohol, alcohol and more alcohol. Non-drinkers, enjoy! There are no parties with good music, good dancing, or good looking girls, unless you like bleary-eyed sorority girls who wear their Stanford sweatshirts three days in a row. So what are people doing? Are they dating? No of course not! First of all there is no where to go in the soulless wasteland that is Silicon Valley, secondly everyone is too driven, work-obsessed, out of touch with their feelings and disinterested in developing meaningful relationships of any kind for dating to occur.</p>

<p>Weather</p>

<p>Ah but the weather, can’t complain about that now can you? Actually, it is truly nice for maybe 4 months of the school year, not all year as they would have you believe. And even when it is warm during the day, even when it hits 90, it will be 40 at night. It is 40 every night in the bay area, meaning you often have to change clothes several times a day. And it rains non-stop during all of winter quarter. And when it rains you must either ruin your clothes getting to class by bike (thanks to our spacious 8000 acre campus), or set out by foot 30 minutes before you need to arrive. When it’s nice out though surely you can go swimming and stuff, right? Well yes and no. You see, because Stanford’s athletics are so top notch, they need some super nice facilities and they need to use them all the time, rest of the students be damned. The weight room is not open in the middle of the afternoon, nor before classes, and much of the equipment is old. There are no treadmills in the main weight room, and only two for the entire student body anywhere on campus. We have a great golf course too, but it costs $20 for students to play, and should you bring a guest who is not lucky enough to be enrolled in this great institution, plan on forking over $75. Where does all that money go to? Maybe Stanford’s $500,000 annual flower budget. Appearances, appaarences…</p>

<p>Location</p>

<p>There can be no worse college town than Palo Alto. Everything is overpriced and targeted to the Silicon Valley jet set. This goes for food, clothing, real estate, you name it. You want affordable, try East Palo Alto, the skeleton in Stanford’s geographic closet. This community of 30,000 is concentrated in a 2.5 sq mile area on the other side of Hwy 101 a careful bit of gerrymandering in the 60’s separated the two communities by the new highway which incidentally paved over East Palo Alto residences, in a similar fashion to the new hotel development in the area known as Whiskey Gulch where Jerry Garcia grew up, and Stanford students used to go hang out before they sold their souls sometime in the 1980s. Besides the immediate environs of the Peninsula, Stanford is lucky enough to be closest to the lamest and most Stanford like of the three bay area cities, San Jose! Lots to see and do there, trust me. The clubs on South First street are worth checking out once, but not returning to. Oakland and San Francisco, representing everything Stanford is not, are located about an hour away by car with no traffic, or anywhere from 2-3 hrs away at rush hour. Public transit, especially the BART, is very ineffective, especially in getting to Oakland. Both real cities in the bay are worth spending much time in, and there is plenty to do with or without your fake ID.</p>

<p>Sports</p>

<p>Winners of the Sears Cup 5 straight years, how can you complain? Well somehow our teams still aren’t much fun to watch. The Sears Cup is awarded based on overall excellence, and Stanford wins it each year with garbage sports that no one cares to watch like gymnastics, golf, water polo, and cross country. Stanford football, though it stumbled into the Rose Bowl last year thanks to a weak field of Pac 10 contenders, is sorry. Coach Willingham is great, but how come they still don’t have a running game, nor a special teams game, nor a decent secondary after three years??? Hmm, coach , you there? As for Basketball, this is the great Stanford success story of excellence in both academics and athletics. While this may be true most of the year, it comes to a grinding halt in March when the team gets straight C’s on their 12 units worth of exams and loses in the second round of the tournament. Why does this keep happening, because they lack athleticism, they have no guts, and their style of play breaks down against quick teams like Arizona, UConn and UNC. They rely too much on the three pointer and it always fails them in the clutch. Why does this keep happening? Because of Montgomery’s out dates style of coaching and the fact that Stanford can’t and never will attract true ballers because sadly, they wouldn’t belong.</p>

<p>After reading this review, I think you will know if you will fit in at Stanford and thus belong, and be happy; or if you are not The Stanford Student, and would be better off elsewhere."</p>

<p>Well. Someone seems pretty bitter…</p>

<p>The review had a lot of grossly construed generalizations that I’m sure do not apply to all of nearly 7,000 undergraduates that attend. Where you are is how you make it, and the poster seems pretty negative to begin with.</p>

<p>I cannot comment on all of your points but, as I have many friends that Live in palo alto and that I live around the are, I can offer some information on the other side.</p>

<p>Weather:
Stanford’s weather is truly great and it does not rain through all of winter. In fact it hasn’t rained much at all. The majority of days are sunny, even during winter. The only thing that you might be right is that the temperature does drop a lot during night.</p>

<p>Sports:
I would like to say golf, gymnastics, water polo, and cross country are no “garbage” sports at all. I don’t understand why people would say such things.</p>

<p>Palo Alto:
I wouldn’t say over priced, but just pricey. If you are going to live in the Bay Area, then complaining about price isn’t really a good idea. Same thing would go for people going to school at Columbia and NYU.</p>

<p>Lack of idealism:
You probably should not go to stanford for activism as it is not a strong poli-sci university. Maybe people who want that should go to Yale or Harvard? But saying that, Stanford did conduct the famous prison experiment, a very telling tale of investigative psychology.</p>

<p>Elitism:
That’s probably present at most schools, but of all the people that I know going to Stanford; they are probably the most humble people that I have ever met.</p>

<p>Can;t talk about social scene, racial diversity</p>

<p>What about the academic competitivity? I honestly don’t enjoy taking classes where people count more on crushing others than actually learning.<br>
Do Stanford engineering students often work together on problem sets?
Do more experienced science students (example: IMO, IPHO, ICHO or other national olympiad people) help their peers?</p>

<p>^^^^^^ I can’t answer that. You would need to ask the people that go there.</p>

<p>Also I forgot to mention. People at Stanford are probably not bigoted. I don’t know where the bigotry even comes from… and Stanford is definitely not just SoCal people.</p>

<p>I would also challenge the “walk the walk” comment mentioned. Google anyone?
Their motto: Do no evil
Their corporate atmosphere: relaxed and laid back.</p>

<p>Pretty radical in an uptight and overly formal corporate world. Yet Stanford Graduates were part of this. Keep in my though, these were just the prominent Stanford Graduates.</p>

<p>I would like to also mention at if students were angry and aimed crushing their peers, well that’s just life. In the professional world, it’s all about balancing the benefits and consequences of your choices. So if you decide to “crush someone”, you better be prepared for the consequences later on.</p>

<p>I like how “happy go lucky” is mentioned as a dominant characteristic of the elitist student body. hahah. sounds awful</p>

<p>honestly, this review didn’t turn me off. I guess I just won’t bring a non-Stanford golfing buddy and expect to pay the student price ;)</p>

<p>WATER POLO IS NOT A GARBAGE SPORT W T F</p>

<p>and all of the stanford students ive met are the most humble people ever. my friends spent their summers at stanford and said the same thing</p>

<p>s/he is from Southern California</p>

<p>I wonder how much of the student body is actually from Socal? Maybe like 10 percent at most?</p>

<p>lol this is one hell of a negative response. First yeah water polo is not even close to being garbage. I have heard that the social scene is kind of like he described. My friends say there are like no hot girls, the parties are not so great, but there is diversity.</p>

<p>I didn’t go to Stanford, but I lived in the area for more than 6 years. People not from Cal. should be aware that Stanford does not have the sunny, warm stereotypical So.Cal. weather many expect to find there. Chipping ice off our windshields in the mornings was a not an uncommon experience, and one year it rained 41 days in a row. Also, the area around Stanford is a cultural wasteland, imo. Yes, it is sort of close to S.F., but you really need a car to get there.</p>

<p>I have heard that the social life is “fragmented,” and my impression during my numerous campus visits was that there didn’t seem to be a whole lot going on at any given time.</p>

<p>All of that said, I have family friends and a relative who loved it there, and a D who would love to attend, so perhaps it is a personal matter of likes/dislikes and expectations.</p>

<p>Does anyone know about Stanford’s academics though??</p>

<p>i’m really, really looking forward to at least a good education, where I could do research over the summer and have occasionally amazing lectures (like those you find on MIT ocw or Indian Institute of Technology)</p>

<p>Also, is there an atmosphere of competition or of craving for learning and understanding? (this is really, really important in my eyes. I know, i’m too much of a nerd :(</p>

<p>There is definitely an atmosphere of competition at every university.</p>

<p>Don’t read too much into the review. For every person that has something negative to say about some aspect of Stanford, I’m willing to be there are 30 who could exalt the very same feautures.</p>

<p>You should know that the streets at Stanford are paved with sunshine and happiness, and that God himself resides in Hoover Tower. It’s a good place.</p>

<p>Stanford is wonderful! And yes it probably does have somewhat of a competitive atmosphere but I feel like it wouldn’t be as bad as Harvard or Penn. All I hear are bad things about Harvard from Harvard students themselves.</p>

<p>And I live in SoCal. I’ll have you know that the constant sunshine gets old. I’d like a greater change in temperature. Besides, dressing up all comfy in the cold and sipping hot coco is so much fun :)</p>

<p>wait. is anyway terrified about the commentary on social life??? i was so worried about this before is decided to apply SCEA but i ultimately decided i fell in love too much with the intellectual environment for my worries to take precedence. coming from NYC im rather worried that I will be bored out of my mind on weekends. I hope this doesnt sound spoiled but i go to a new restaurant every weekend, a new music venue, etc. I overlooked this drastic distinction because i just saw so much of myself at stanford. however, all my friends think im making a big mistake and that I will go out of my mind. does anyone else have this worry?</p>

<p>I have a D at Harvard, and altho she is an extremely competitive person by nature, she swears that Harvard does not at all have the competitive atmosphere you hear about. To me, the contrast in environment between Harvard and Stanford is stark: Harvard/Cambridge is constantly teeming with activity, almost to the point of sensory overload; Stanford’s campus and environs seem serene in comparison.</p>

<p>Yeah I do hear both about Harvard. All I know is that a couple people I know are having a horrible time due to the intense competition. One said that someone purposely gave him the wrong notes to study so he’d fail a quiz. Another said that someone checked out a few library books that they didn’t even need so she’d be short of material. But who knows? Everyone has different experiences.</p>

<p>And what you said about the difference between Harvard and Stanford makes a lot of sense to me. Stanford does seem very chill, peaceful, and laid back.</p>

<p>How’s Stanford academics though?</p>

<p>I posted on the other stanford 2012 too.</p>

<p>Lack of idealism is completely wrong. If anything, stanford is way more idealistic than its peer schools as it is basically in a bubble. People inside are kinda naive (in a good way) and believe in the good of people. </p>

<p>Conformity - Elitism. THis one is way off. I have no idea who wrote it, and I doubt anyone in Stanford would agree. No point wasting space responding to it.</p>

<p>Lack of diversity - Racial insulation. This is interesting. EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the US besides really small schools has racial insulation. You WILL NOT SEE any place without it. People just tend to hang out with others that have similar background. </p>

<p>Astonishingly weak social scene - Very little dating.
THere are usually a lot of parties on Friday and Sat nights. Social scene is just like anywhere else. I dont see why stanford would be different from any of its peer schools.</p>

<p>Location. THis depends on anyone’s experience. You can try to look at it half empty of half full. I can tell you 100 things about why location is great. </p>

<p>Sports. THis is also dependent on everyone’s opinions. </p>

<p>I responded to your other posts. TO be honest with you, if you keep splitting hairs and ask questions without trying to answer them yourself first, it will be very hard for you to pick a good fit college. Besides, even if we tell you something bad about Stanford, are you really not gonna apply to it? How about Harvard, MIT, Caltech…etc or any other school you’re interested? Are you really not gonna apply to a school cuz some random stranger on CC told you it’s bad?
I hope you think of those questions first before posting, because it’ll save you a lot of time and energy.</p>

<p>watson&crick,
is that really an honest question?
I think CC posters really need to think before they post…</p>