<p>READ THE ANDOVER LETTER, top students are headed for harvard, penn usc and others . go check 2005 placemtents of exter, choate, dalton,and pingry some of the top student cum laude types are headed for HAR, YALE PENN in equal numbers.</p>
<p>i stand by my yield 2005 est of leland stanfurd jr college aka UC palo alto be correct unless any of ding bats have guts pull out actual data fro adm office.</p>
<p>As far as anyone knows, that data is not available. If you want to think that that's because Stanford wants to "hide it", whatever. Nothing you post will ever be regarded as credible. Stanford's an amazing school, on par with HYP (hence the extension of the acronym) and nothing you say will change that. Your posts accomplish absolutely nothing except for wasting server space. Why don't you do yourself a favor and get a life?</p>
<p>lol i have to say baba, your reasoning skills need a tune-up.</p>
<p>Freshman applicants 19,172
Freshman admits 2,486
General admit rate 13%
Freshmen entering 1,648 </p>
<p>source:
<a href="http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/facts/undergraduate.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.stanford.edu/home/stanford/facts/undergraduate.html</a></p>
<p>total yield: 66%</p>
<p>To say that Penn is at Stanford's level is already blasphemous. To say that Penn is higher than Stanford...is unexplainable.</p>
<p>Let's take the Rickoid population. I'm sure you heard of the prestigious program called Research Science Institute (RSI).</p>
<p>Here are the numbers:</p>
<p>harvard 24
mit 23
princeton 6
caltech 6
stanford 4
yale 3
penn 1</p>
<p>I stand my grounds.</p>
<p>As a future Princeton student, I hold Stanford in the utmost regard altough I didn't apply (ED Pton). Don't worry about baba's meaningless utterances, Stanford as you all know is an exceptional school and much much superior to USC. ForeverZero and Static have much better things to do than argue with an attention-seeking whore who floods this site with the same message repeatedly.</p>
<p>To pretend that Penn is not in the same general vacinity of quality, let alone at its level, is idiotic. They are quite comparable, just like most of best american schools. Perhaps stanford just has a lot more ego . . .</p>
<p>It depends on how you want to compare them. In terms of overall prestige and reputation, HYPSMC is the top tier, period. The same tier applies in terms of selectivity. For overall strength across departments, Stanford is virtually unmatched (at least at the graduate level). I've seen at least one ranking where Stanford is ranked 1st. The methodology was based on the number of highly ranked departments, with more weight given to those that are ranked in the top five, less to the top ten, etc. However, in terms of quality of undergraduate education, it's hard to tell and difficult to measure. USNews seems to think that Penn is slightly better. Many people seem to think that Penn's rank is inflated. I don't think that it's quite at the level of HYPS yet. Nevertheless, Penn's an amazing school and I marvel at how much it's improved over the past few decades. It's certainly comparable to Stanford (practically all the top 25 schools provide comparable educations), but to claim that it's better will raise a few eyebrows.</p>
<p>*** is Penn? if this school is so good, how come I have never heard of it before? I think it's funny that people at these flagship public universities like Berkeley or UMich or Penn always try to compare themselves to the top privates like HYSMP. Get a life fools.</p>
<p>Penn is a school in Pennsylvania (obviously). More specifically, I think it is in a place called State College Park. It is the flagship public school in PA but I don't think it can compare with UMich and Berkeley. Definitely cannot compare to Stanford.</p>
<p>Wrong wrong wrong. Penn is the University of Pennsylvania, a private university in Philadelphia and a member of the Ivy League. It houses, among other things, the #1 business school, the Wharton School.</p>
<p>It's ivy league?! I thought the ivies were Harvard, Stanford, Yale, and Princeton. Since when did the University of Pennsylvania get considered to be ivy-league?</p>
<p>Going back slightly:</p>
<p>"Cal tech ranked no 2 shows how stupid this list is, more over Amhest and Wes;ysn in top 10, they must be smoking dope. What a joke ."</p>
<p>Baba obviously can't read either. Caltech is ranked 4th on those rankings not 2nd.</p>
<p>In addition, this rankings is not stupid, but extremely scientific, tabulating colleges based on their ability to win cross-admits. Based on this methodology, the rankings indicate that Penn loses cross-admits to every Ivy League, on average, other than Cornell.</p>
<p>you idiots are talking junk. Look at high school seniors like top prep schools like andover: USC is more popular the UC Palo Alto</p>
<p><a href="http://www.andover.edu/news/commencement05.htm%5B/url%5D">www.andover.edu/news/commencement05.htm</a></p>
<p>To help dispell the ignorance, I post the following.</p>
<p>The Ivy League is an athletics association, founded in 1954, of eight American universities; it is named after the ivy plants traditionally covering their buildings. The Ivy League universities are often referred to by the abbreviation Ivies. The term "Ivy League" has connotations of academic excellence, as well as a certain amount of elitism. These schools are also sometimes affectionately referred to as the Ancient Eight, a strictly colloquial term.</p>
<p>All of the Ivy League universities share some general characteristics: They are among the most prestigious and selective universities in the U.S.; they consistently place close to the top of college and university rankings; they rank within the top one percent of the world's universities in terms of financial endowment; they attract top-tier students and faculty (although many undergraduate classes are taught by people other than the distinguished faculty, such as graduate students - the extent of this practice varies greatly, for example, Brown University requires all its professors to teach undergraduates as part of its university-college model); and they have relatively small undergraduate populations, ranging between 4,100 for Dartmouth and 13,700 for Cornell. The Ivies are also all located in the Northeast region of the United States and are among the oldest universities in the countryall but Cornell University were founded during America's colonial era.</p>
<p>The Ivy League universities are privately owned and controlled. Although many of them receive funding from the federal or state governments to pursue research, only Cornell has state-supported academic units, termed statutory colleges, that are an integral part of the university.</p>
<p>Members</p>
<p>The members of the Ivy League are, in alphabetical order:</p>
<p>Brown University, in Providence, Rhode Island, founded 1764 as Rhode Island College </p>
<p>Columbia University, in New York City, New York, founded 1754 as King's College </p>
<p>Cornell University, in Ithaca, New York, founded 1865 </p>
<p>Dartmouth College, in Hanover, New Hampshire, founded 1769 </p>
<p>Harvard University, in Cambridge, Massachusetts, founded 1636 as the New College </p>
<p>University of Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, founded 1749 as the Academy of Philadelphia </p>
<p>Princeton University, in Princeton, New Jersey, founded in 1746 as the College of New Jersey </p>
<p>Yale University, in New Haven, Connecticut, founded 1701 as the Collegiate School </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_league%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_league</a></p>
<p>The main things to consider is that there are 8 schools in the league, it is first and foremost an athletic orginization, although it has since become associated with quality. Although the article goes on to include other schools (stanford, mit, caltech), these are not ivy schools. The ivy league consists of 8 schools, and although these schools may in many ways be comparable or surpass those 8 schools, it is, and probably will never be, an Ivy.</p>
<p>Baba, please be more coherent and make more timely and logical, purposeful points. A lot of those kids probably couldn't get into stanford or liked usc or some other university more than stanford.</p>
<p>this is what baba does...</p>
<p>"I claimed A to be true. Here are the sources which has nothing to do with the claim I'm making. In fact, it's a small sample collected at a high school to represent the interest of all high school students across the nation. In fact, none of the data presented in the source can justify my claim. I made many assumptions. I infered wrongly. But no one has to know that. I will construe it to justify why I'm making this statement, just because I'm delusional."</p>
<p>Just because you said it doesn't make it true darling.</p>
<p>And if you're going to make fun of Stanford. I suggest doing it like the CAL kids do: Stanfurd. Calling it UC Palo Alto just doesn't make any sense, especially when it doesn't even reside in Palo Alto.</p>
<p>You have to be a complete moron if you base a school's quality on how many students from a particular school attend. More people will attend USC because it's much easier to get in, not because people would rather go there than Stanford. The best way to judge a school's popularity among students is by looking at cross-admit statistics, aka the Revealed Preference rankings. Stanford does very well in that ranking, demonstrating its immense popularity.</p>
<p>Does the preferential thingy monitor the state from which the admits came? Californians tend to skewer the thing heavily towards any Californian school, as they seem to have a deathly fear of the idea of winter..</p>
<p>Most people are biased towards schools in their own region anyway, so it should be balanced out. West Coasters who want to stay in the west are counteracted by East coasters who want to stay east. State schools have a vast majority of in-state students, but that's counteracted by the fact that practically no one out-of-state is in those schools. The nature of the ranking automatically takes regional biases into account, so what we get is an overall national average of cross-admit students' preferences.</p>