<p>i want to study business for sure so wharton would be the perfect ending but... i want a SOLID BROAD BASE undergrad education (which i think stanford would do a better job at this than penn)</p>
<p>plus engineering is important to me too and stanford seem to be stronger in their engineering depart than penn</p>
<p>despite stanford's super strong Econ program, i know that Wharton certainly is tough to surpass</p>
<p>I don't know about international relations but i think both schools are really strong in this area and I am likely to double concentrate in international relations over engineering</p>
<p>Academic Priority ==== a solid undergraduate experience
1. Business
2. International Relations
3. Engineering </p>
<p>Honestly, with what you have said, it appears that business matters most. yes, a solid undergrad is good but i dont think its fair to simply say that Upenn doesnt compare. its in philadelphia which will easily put you in a much more worldly environment than the bustling metropolis that is palo alto. i've personally heard great reviews about int. relations at penn (isnt there a rumor that the declaration of independace was signed there or something ;) ). Upenn because of its history and location, has AMAZING keynote speakrs every year, mostly famous politicians and the such (government ~ int relations? )</p>
<p>but you're right about stanford and engineering..few other schools compare but engineering is 3rd on you list. </p>
<p>i dont know who you are or what type of environment you want to be in. </p>
<p>stanford's cohesive environment that fosters this "solid broad base undergrad education" can be greatly attributed to the univerisity bubble that students live in. when in school, many are wraped up in the SCHOOL itself and little else.</p>
<p>any other post on any of these threads about students who are trying to debate between amazing schools (par example: harvard v. stanford / cornell v. dartmouth / georgetown v. UPenn), you will see the same thing over and over again for responses...go where you will be most happy because academically, all of these schools are, as i've said, amazing. if you look past classes, professors, research, and so on, consider how content you will be at the schools you have been accepted into. </p>
<p>i hope this helped. you must be a stellar student and person and etc. make the most of what ever you choose. </p>
<p>or you could do M&T at Penn which is engineering/business. Or you could be the first person to triple major and do M&T AND Huntsman and then you would be set... :)</p>
<p>According to this year's Gourman Report, the best undergraduate programs in International Relations are, in order:</p>
<p>Tufts
Princeton
Johns Hopkins
Georgetown
U Penn
Harvard
Cornell
U Wisconsin Madison
MIT
Stanford
UVA
Notre Dame
US Air Force Acad
US Military Acad
Claremont McKenna</p>
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<p>(FYI: The Gourman Report states that its ratings are based on "extensive reseach" into the following criteria:</p>
<ol>
<li>auspices, control, and organization of the institution</li>
<li>numbers of educational programs offered and degrees conferred (with additional attention to "sub-fields" available to students within a particular discipline</li>
<li>age (experience level) of the institution and the individual discipline or program and division</li>
<li>faculty, including qualifications, experience, intellectual interests, attainments, and professional productivity (including research)</li>
<li>students, including quality of scholastic work and records of graduates both in graduate study and in practice</li>
<li>basis of and requirements for admission of students (overall and by individual discipline)</li>
<li>number of students enrolled (overall and for each discipline)</li>
<li>curriculum and curricular content of the program or discipline and division</li>
<li>standards and quality of instruction (including teaching loads)</li>
<li>quality of administration, including attitudes and policy towards teaching, research and scholarly production in each discipline, and administration research</li>
<li>quality and availability of non-departmental areas such as counseling and career placement services</li>
<li>quality of physical plant devoted to undergraduate, graduate, and professional levels</li>
<li>finances, including budgets, investments, expenditures and sources of income for both public and private institutions</li>
<li>library, including number of volumes, appropriateness of materials to individual disciplines and accessibility of materials</li>
<li>computer facility sufficient to support current research activities for both faculty and students</li>
<li>sufficient funding for research equipment and infrastructure</li>
<li>number of teaching and research assistantships</li>
<li>academic-athletic balance</li>
</ol>
<p>The weight given to each criterion above varies by discipline. )
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<p>Just a side note, Penn's International Relations dept. is in the College of Arts and Sciences. The Huntsman Program is a joint program between the College and the Wharton School, however, this program is in International STUDIES and Business which is not the same thing as International Relations. International Studies is akin to Regional Studies (students study a foreign language and take classes on the history, culture etc. of a specific region).</p>