<p>Please find some common ground people, or this thread is going away.</p>
<p>Plenty of publics are highly selective, as well: UCB, UCLA, UVA, UMI, on and on.</p>
<p>sometimes when I read dstark’s posts it is like a window opens up in my brain.
federal grant money - why so concentrated? and why so accepted it is so concentrated?</p>
<p>I’m passing the baton on this thread. </p>
<p>Like arguing with a rock.</p>
<p>alh and Dstark – have either one of you actually worked on a grant funded project? do you have any conception of what is involved in winning a federal research grant? Do you think Harvard gets them all???</p>
<p>Yes. I do think we have a serious education problem in the country.</p>
<p>The dis-investment in public higher education in most states is one of the worst outcomes of the new econ/politics. We are now eating our seed corn. Harvard won’t be filling that gap.</p>
<p>We all agree “on CC” that education should be a priority, and that funding from whatever source would be handled efficiently to the advantage of the students’ learning.</p>
<p>Question is: who will identify and cut the costs that are not necessary? and set the expense levels as correct?
And where should the funding come from?</p>
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<p>I don’t care about Harvard…</p>
<p>Enjoy your taxpayer subsidies…</p>
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<p>sewhappy: yes I have - all at private elites, including HYP. That is my only experience. Admittedly limited.</p>
<p>Barron’s, are you willing to pay more in state taxes to pay for public colleges? I have met few people who want or are willing to pay ANY additional taxes, regardless…</p>
<p>“The dis-investment in public higher education in most states is one of the worst outcomes of the new econ/politics. We are now eating our seed corn.”</p>
<p>I agree with this…</p>
<p>We should invest in plants, and technology, and shale oil…</p>
<p>invest in people…not so much…</p>
<p>I don’t think we have a serious education problem in this country. Our colleges top just about every poll out there, and all of the top colleges have astounding numbers of applicants every year.</p>
<p>We pay quite a lot in state taxes and property taxes here in New Jersey. In fact, a staggering amount. We do not send our kids to the NJ public schools. So we think of ourselves as giving over and beyond in a sense – contributing mightily to the public schools but not utilizing their resources.</p>
<p>I don’t really mind high taxes if I think they are being well spent, particularly on schools. I am not really sure how well those expenditures are handled here yet. Moved here recently. </p>
<p>In general, I want a well educated country. I do think public education has deteriorated a lot in America in the last 20 years. I think a lot of the curriculum and time is basically political indoctrination, actually, but that’s a very volatile topic not for CC.</p>
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<p>Why do you immediately assume that those who support state education have children who didn’t go to Harvard? Weren’t quite up to Harvard? </p>
<p>Some people actually support ideas and programs that are of no direct benefit to themselves. Even at Harvard a few of those folks exist.</p>
<p>“I have met few people who want or are willing to pay ANY additional taxes, regardless…”</p>
<p>dogpa my friend, you need to get out more. America is a highly diverse community. That’s one of its great strengths. Right now the country is in an unhappy place. Some corrections are needed. It would be nice if the views of all were considered when making those corrections. I’m not in favor of liquidating either UICU or Harvard. But if forced, I think barrons has it right. YMMV.</p>
<p>alh, I’m quite supportive of public universities and am encouraging my hs senior to apply to several. I’m just trying to parse Dstarks (and presumably your) argument against harvard on this thread. It honestly seems nonsensical to me.</p>
<p>My DH got a PhD from a public. I got an MS. DH was a tenured professor at a public university before working in the private sector. We think our public universities are enormously important to the country. </p>
<p>The attacks on Harvard’s nonprofit status are just absurd, though.</p>
<p>Stand by statement,not one single person I know is volunteering to pay more taxes, …I am. It complaining in paying the taxes I currently pay,but if I am forced to be diligent about my budget,it would be prudent for states to do the same,and if it means public colleges need to raise tuition,oh well…for the record, I am paying rack rate at a private university for my D1 with D2 starting next sept at a similar cost</p>
<p>Sewhappy…I am not attacking Harvard…</p>
<p>I find the argument…that we can’t afford to support public colleges or public universities absurd when we are supporting private college and universites to the tune of billions and billions of dollars. I am using Harvard as an example by pointing out that Harvard is a tax supported institution.</p>
<p>Obviously there is waste in public institutions as well as private institutions…but to limit access to students because they can’t afford the schools…that is what public schools are for…to give students access…to give them a chance…</p>
<p>And society benefits in the end…even if individuals don’t benefit directly…they live in this society and benefit indirectly…</p>
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State Unis FB coaches are paid base salaries by the uni. This uni is allowed to solicit outside funding to cover the remaining (major) portion of the coach’s salary. My BFFs husband in a div I head FB coach. He receives about 150K from the uni and substantially more from a group of private donors. There are other perks (free auto, use of a lake cabin, and more).</p>
<p>Also, the team plays at least 2 non-conference games earning the uni millions/game from TV rights. The primary funding for new or rehab stadiums comes from private donations. Plus alumni donations soar following a winning season, a conference championship or a bowl game invitation.</p>
<p>A state government has to set priorities on where its tax money should be spent.
It can’t spend money on every single worthwhile thing, or the tax rate would be 100%.
University of Illinois Champaign, in my view, is still a very nice bargain. Even with the cutbacks, and even with increased tuition.</p>
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<p>I agree with this, with respect to CA colleges. I don’t understand what all the flap is about. We have community colleges that cost $36 per credit hour. And we have free university tuition for those making less than $80K per year.</p>