<p>If a state is facing limited tax $$ … K-12 should take precedence over funding for state universities .</p>
<p>dstark,
The public universities cannot accommodate all of the students wanting to attend college. If you take away the beneficial tax status of private non-profit colleges, you are going to get fewer colleges.</p>
<p>“The public universities cannot accommodate all of the students wanting to attend college.”</p>
<p>I don’t know about that Bay…</p>
<p>but if that is true…we need more universities…</p>
<p>…and medical schools (what’s up with that? sorry, off topic)</p>
<p>It’s basic math, dstark. Bay is right.</p>
<p>OK…Pizzagirl…I said I don’t know…</p>
<p>What is the basic math?</p>
<p>Originally Posted by tigerdad14
State Us’ taking tax payers money to pay football coaches millions is absurd. (even though I’m a big football fan)</p>
<p>Why is football such a target? The women’s sports are the big money drains. Many college football teams are self-supporting AND some provide the funds for all other sprorts.</p>
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<p>CC’s are a different than other colleges in that they derive a large amount of support from the local tax base. Even so, the CA CC’s seem to be completely overwhelmed now that state support is so drastically reduced while enrollments are up. </p>
<p>[As</a> enrollments soar and state aid vanishes, community colleges reconsider their role](<a href=“http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=566289]As”>http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=566289)</p>
<p>NYS just passed a property tax cap law but state funding to the CC’s was also cut. Our county property taxes used to include our share of aid to the local CC but now the county has to figure out how to bill this separately since they can’t simply raise property taxes. In the end, we will still pay more and I think that it makes sense to do so as they train the workers that support our local (and state) economy, as well as providing free courses to our HS kids. But all of this paper shuffling and grandstanding about tax caps is just nonsense.</p>
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<p>There are other major budget items in state budgets that are helping squeeze out post-secondary education:</p>
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<li>K-12 education</li>
<li>Health[1] and welfare</li>
<li>Prisons</li>
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<p>[1] If there is anything that competes with university cost inflation in the US, it is health care cost inflation. Note that health care cost inflation also affects everything that employs people, including universities – the “free” (or heavily subsidized) medical insurance policy that you get from your employer gets more expensive to your employer every year (by a lot more than CPI inflation). It also imposes then-unexpected high costs on promised retirement medical care that employers now pay for retirees who were given the promises decades ago.</p>
<p>I support K-12 public education,though choose to send D3 to a private parochial school for elementary school…am against additional tax dollars going to prisons and their residents…How about cutting that budget to the bones, and then use the resulting pile of cash for public colleges? I am for that…</p>
<p>The K-12 schools in Illinois are also owed money from the state.</p>
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<p>The additional tax dollars for prisons is not even keeping up with the increased prisoner population (most prisons are far over their design capacity, which is detrimental for both the prisoners and society, as rehabilitation is more likely to fail, resulting in released prisoners being more likely to commit crimes after they get out) due to poorly thought out sentencing laws that apparently maximize the number of prisoners per (weighted by seriousness) crime prevented.</p>
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<p>Yikes…I’m sure that most people would not want a bunch of sentences reduced haphazardly due to budget cuts and overcrowding. I’d prefer to support the outreach and prevention programs that reduce the number of people that end up in prison and that includes public education.</p>
<p>Want good healthcare without paying a dime…go to prison…enough said…there have been documented cases where a person commits a crime to get healthcare…enough said…</p>
<p>I am not saying let the prisoners out, I am saying stop the funding of a lifestyle many can only wish for</p>
<p>Did you see that a former Baltimore cop is advocating PUBLIC FLOGGING as a more effective and less expensive deterrent to crime? (I am serious)</p>
<p>A lot of prisoners also get a better education while in prison…</p>
<p>Football coaches paid millions are pretty rare and those paid with mostly tax money even rarer. Most programs that pay the big money use very little of any state money for the coach. A few more use student sports fees. Most can pay the coach out of revenues from football which at schools that pay “millions” tends to be very profitable. I’d bet you could count the number of coaches paid over $1million out of state money on one hand.</p>
<p>I’d pay a surtax that went to fund only higher ed.</p>
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<p>Is it really true there isn’t enough room in state schools for state students? Which states? This is something I would like to learn more about. It doesn’t seem to me it has ever been an issue in any state in which I have lived, or at least I have never heard of it being an issue.</p>
<p>Click on the link in 88, alh. The California, Arizona, and Texas publics are having a particularly tough time but are certainly not alone.</p>
<p>Eating our seed corn. Barrons nailed it. Bravo, the virtual beer’s on me. </p>
<p>Same is true when we cut APs to fund more remedial classes to get the bottom end to pass state competency exams to raise test scores and keep from them being pronounced a failed school. Just who exactly is going to start those enterprises that create American jobs, the kid too stoned to study, or the kid locked out of the AP class, who is not necessarily the rich kid, but is motivated to make something of his or her life. </p>
<p>I guess one could argue that the kids in public colleges who can’t graduate because they can’t get the classes they need due to budget cuts are no worse off because there are no jobs for them anyway. </p>
<p>Go ahead, I vote yes to raising my income taxes. Just do it. Nobody pays it unless they earn it. It’s not what you pay in taxes it’s what you take home. Rich people should pay a lot. I’m already rich, but I want to be richer. I want to pay a LOT more in taxes. I want my healthy economy back! I want opportunities for our kids! The public discourse right now is just plain dumb. </p>
<p>Eating our seed corn is right!</p>