student athletics fee referendum

<p>are you voting yes or no?</p>

<p>I’m a graduating senior who will never have to pay a dime of it, but I’m still giving this one a big hell no. For you other graduating seniors out there, don’t just ■■■■■ vote this because you don’t have to pay for it and have no underclassman friends who will foot the bill.</p>

<p>$854 a year is far too much to enter UCSD into the Big West with no real hope for football, especially when the same AS members refused to put a $15 a year referendum up last year to keep libraries open. </p>

<p>Also, I would have been far more inclined to consider voting yes on the measure if this process hadn’t been so shady-feeling. First the 'keep it on the DL" AS email. Then the AS president telling AS members to stay neutral and then starting up Pro-Referendum events. Now we have Utsav Gupta mass emailing the UCSD listserv with lord-knows-what-permissions with a questionable list of ‘facts.’</p>

<p>I voted no too, for basically the same reasons.</p>

<p>Is it really $854 a year? I’ve been hearing numbers around the 200s. (Also that questionable fact that it’s free for students with financial aid)</p>

<p>I looked some things up about it from both sides. I would love to hear actual facts about this however before I make my decision. Wish the guardian would publish more people’s opinions about both sides so we can each make an informed decision without lies being passed around in flyers. -_-</p>

<p>Ahh nevermind. Its $284.78 a quarter. That seems a bit excessive…</p>

<p><a href=“http://as.ucsd.edu/ica/procon[/url]”>http://as.ucsd.edu/ica/procon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I’m a little confused about the angle from the “pro” side. Why do they have to make it out like our school is worthless and not fun just because we’re not D1? If that’s the case, I think we need an attitude change more than a sports boost. I have school pride with or without sports, and I think the fact that so many people don’t negatively affects our reputation.</p>

<p>I voted no. I wish there was a neutral party to report all the facts, though.</p>

<p>I agree with what’s been said so far. The pro-referendum arguments just reeked of “too good to be true” to me. It just feels like there are loopholes… But most importantly, I voted no on it because I don’t think the D-1 move is going to do all that it purports to do for our school. I especially agree with momosky that if you have a problem with UCSD’s reputation as is, moving up to D-I isn’t going to change anything really. You know the pro side is trying to play up this “UCSD will finally have a football team” excitement while totally side-stepping the fact that this referendum is NOT going to get us a football team.</p>

<p>I voted yes, just for the record. I’m not some uninformed delusional fool, but I think for the long term prospects of the university, a chance to move to D1 wouldn’t be a terrible idea. It’s funny how on this website I run into multiple threads saying “Is paying $10k more a year worth going to this slightly higher ranked university?” and everybody goes “YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS”. And then we come to a question like this where college students have actually started paying for college and everybody is like “ahhh… no thanks”. I’m not saying that’s wrong or anything, but it’s funny to think about.</p>

<p>Either way I’m not vehemently for or against it. I actually attend a lot of sporting events myself and regularly have meetings with one of the athletics directors, so naturally I’m biased. But really though, this is the students’ chance to help shape the future of the university no matter which way it goes and I will be fine with whatever decision they make.</p>

<p>If you’re interested in more specifics on what I feel like everything really means regarding D1 sports and the like, feel free to ask.</p>

<p>KingsElite, I’m glad you’re making an educated decision :)</p>

<p>I have one question about the football situation: does the move to yes actually increase our chances of establishing a football team for UCSD?</p>

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<p>Yes it does. Our chance of getting a D2 football team is 0. Our chances of getting a D1 football team are higher than 0. How much higher? I don’t know, but definitely higher.</p>

<p>My main concern is that if we don’t move to D1 now, when would be our next opportunity. I honestly don’t think moving to D1 will improve our rankings or our school spirit as much as portrayed, but I feel like UCSD should move up eventually. We don’t belong in D2, especially since we always win. If its a long period before we have another chance, I may consider voting yes.</p>

<p>I’m very much against moving to D1, for many, many reasons (one being the bigger cost we’d have to pay), but I am glad that there are people on the pro side who are choosing to vote yes after really thinking through the referendum. :slight_smile: </p>

<p>@AndrewL, yes, UCSD should eventually move up to D1, but economically speaking, it is a terrible time. Perhaps from an athletic standpoint, it is ideal to move now, but hiking up fees in the middle of a recession AND the UC system’s 80+% tuition increase would just be a triple whammy that will burden middle class students and their families not only now but also in the future (I’m looking at you, student loans). You are completely right in saying that D1 will not affect our rankings–the most trusted university rankers in the world NEVER factor athletics, and they have all given UCSD very high rankings. It might be awhile until UCSD gets another invite into D1, but we can definitely move up when times are better and much of the student body can actually afford a fee increase without having to hurt their wallets with the same negative impact it would now.</p>