Studying abroad in Brazil - safe?

<p>I asked my daughter if she felt safer in her African country or her college campus. She actually laughed out loud. She said her college campus was mighty safe, had emergency phones and campus police, things not available in her African country.</p>

<p>When pressed, I asked her if she felt unsafe in her African country, and she said…absolutely not…but you have to have city common sense. She didn’t travel alone, didn’t roam around at night, and was careful. Also, she said it helped that she was “adopted” by the locals while there. They really looked out for her. Even the bus drivers would call her cell if she didn’t show up for a bus ride home.</p>

<p>Re: Brazil. I can’t speak first hand. But I would check the specifics of her program. find out about lodging, travel, transportation, being with a group, etc.</p>

<p>My kid went to Honduras for 10 days. I was a bit worried about the plans until I found out that the group stayed together at all times. The participants were not permitted to go into the town unless it was part of a plan for the whole group. </p>

<p>I’ll be curious what the program organizers tell you on Monday.</p>

<p>Our son did a language immersion program in northern Brazil the summer after his sophomore year in college and a semester abroad in Rio the summer before and fall of his senior year. There were two young women also doing a semester abroad from his university (2009) and there were no reported safety issues that I heard about. The girls stayed with a family, while my S arranged his own housing. They took public transportation everywhere. </p>

<p>My S accepted a post-graduation job with a Brazilian company and still happily works for the same firm three plus years later. He happens to work in their Australia office at the moment, but lived and worked in Rio for more than a year and goes back regularly (already has his tickets for the World Cup). He has also traveled to other parts of Brazil, including taking a bus to Sao Paulo to visit friends. He is blond and has never had any problems. </p>

<p>On the other hand, he was viciously attacked while walking home from a party at his college (UVA). He was in a group of four people and jumped from behind. The other three managed to run away and get help so the criminal was actually caught but our son required an ambulance and a plastic surgeon to stitch the lacerations all over his face. My nephew was just recently robbed at gunpoint on his campus (VCU). Stuff happens. </p>

<p>I went to Mauritania when I was in grad school for an internship and it was not the safest of countries at the time. Lots of machine gun toting guards on every corner and they had a military coup a month after I came home, but I wouldn’t have missed the experience for the world. Our S is very street smart and has traveled all over the world in some pretty dangerous places, including Oman during the Arab spring (for work) and yet the place he was hurt was right here at home.</p>

<p>“I wouldn’t want my D to be a statistic. In this case the precautions one should take to NOT run into problems are greater than the normal “be safe” stuff.”</p>

<p>Well, then perhaps you shouldn’t be sending her to an American college.</p>

<p>Oh, good grief. I am not worrying about my kid getting kidnapped at an American college. Lets try to keep it in prospective here.</p>

<p>No, only about being raped and sexually assaulted - and it is much, much, much more common than kidnapping of college students in Brazil. Let’s keep it real.</p>

<p>And I really do believe that. I wouldn’t have facilitated my kids going by themselves beginning at age 16 to all those countries if I didn’t.</p>

<p>Sooo, back to topic about safety in Brazil (this is not a discussion of safety on US college campuses-- that would be, and has been, a topic for another thread)…
Where in Brazil is the program? DH has had to travel to Sao Paulo on business. He has in the past travelled with someone who had lived there previously and knew the ropes. But if travelling alone, he’d have a driver who would carry extra cash for “incidentals”. It makes me very uncomfortable and he is a grown man.</p>

<p>Actor William Hurt got kidnapped in Brazil in the 1980s while filming Kiss of the Spiderwoman
[William</a> Hurt: In Every Role, A New Life To Inhabit | WBUR & NPR](<a href=“http://www.wbur.org/npr/124043013]William”>http://www.wbur.org/npr/124043013)
Yes, I know, not totally relevant, but kind of interesting. Me, personally, I have traveled a lot outside of the US but am a wary of going to Brazil because I have heard the you-need-a-bodyguard-and-kidnap-insurance type of stories as above. (I am also afraid of grizzly bears and rattlesnakes in the US west, if that gives you perspective, but I will still go there. It would take more to talk me into Brazil.)</p>

<p>Grizzly bears are almost extinct.
[Endangered</a> Species of the Mountain-Prairie Region: U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service](<a href=“http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/species/mammals/grizzly/]Endangered”>Grizzly Bear (Ursus arctos horribilis) | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service)
Ive also never seen a rattlesnake in the wild, even though I have looked for them.
( although it occurs to me that you are jk to make a point?)</p>

<p>Its good to investigate whether your fears are at all based in reality or something that a need for drama has manufactured.
Then you can take appropriate steps.</p>

<p>A friends son is living in Honduras. However because of his fluency & his coloring, he can pass as a local.
Its more dangerous abroad to be perceived instantly as an American.</p>

<p>We have a friend who helped pay a ransom for his BIL who was kidnapped while living in Brazil. The BIL was killed anyway. I know nothing of the details, other than our friend says crazy things happen in Brazil, guards are common there, and seems much more comfortable in the US than visiting Brazil.</p>

<p>I really am scared of bears! All kinds! We were in Yellowstone and backpacking in the Tetons the same year there were fatal attacks. And I have been “rattled” by a snake while on the petrified forest trail at Zion National Park. So, I am not joking, but I guess the moral of the story is I made it out alive. When I was younger, I have done other crazy things, like road trips down Baja California, that I would not feel comfortable having my kids do. I am currently stressing out that my son goes on very long road trips to away games for club rugby in personal cars (i.e. not on a bus.) I guess there is danger and adventure everywhere. Just not sure how I would feel about a daughter in Brazil. I guess I’d need a ton of reassurance myself. I like the advice given that the daughter should investigate the potential hazards.</p>

<p>My good friend spent time in Sao Paolo setting up a computer center/office for his firm(he is IT specialist). His firm had unlimited funds for him, yet he felt unsafe the entire time(big 45 year old man) and told me he will “never, ever go back to that place again in my life”. Guns, bodyguards, drivers, etc. There is no way I would ever send my daughter there. No way.</p>

<p>D1 did a lengthy summer internship (not an official sponsored school program) in Nairobi. Before deciding to take the offer, she spoke to a wide variety of people who had recent and/or current experience being in Nairobi. She made a point of seeking out and speaking/emailing with young caucasian women living in the city, getting those contacts via the company she’d be working for as well as contacts at her university. She also talked extensively with her school’s study abroad office–although this wasn’t an official university program, they did have knowledge of travel abroad conditions pretty much anywhere.</p>

<p>We reached out to friends and coworkers who’d lived and worked in Kenya recently, asking about their experiences. One relative has substantial contacts with the state department; we were able to get feedback from folks living and working at the embassy in Kenya. Obviously, we looked at the State Department official travel warnings. We had to read them anyway, as D1 was receiving university funding for her travel and they wanted everyone–student and parents–to sign that they were aware of safety issues in the area.</p>

<p>While in Nairobi, D1 followed up on her contacts, getting lots of great practical advice (as well as finding friends to go on outings). That expat network kept her dialed into info about e.g. a group of muggers on motorcycles who’d been attacking people in her (deemed very safe) neighborhood. </p>

<p>Bottom line: talk to as many people who possess current knowledge about the area and program as you can. Terrible things happen everywhere–when you hear horror stories, assess whether they’re one-offs or indications of a more challenging environment. Consider your daughter’s experience with travel, her street smarts, and her ability to adapt to the area.</p>

<p>Brazil is a big, complex country. It’s probably a mistake to generalize. There are parts of Brazil I consider quite safe, and I would have no problem with my daughters being there. There are other parts I wouldn’t ever want to be at any time of the day or night. And then there are those maddening places that, as Americans, we expect to be safe, but aren’t. This includes many upscale residential areas, central business districts, and high end shopping centers in and around major cities like Sao Paulo and Rio de Janiero.</p>

<p>Lots of talk here about kidnapping. It’s a legitimate concern, though I suspect mini is right that the rate of kidnapping in Brazil is probably lower than the rate of sexual assault on the median U.S. college campus. For both types of crimes, you need to be savvy about how to avoid it. An important thing to keep in mind: there are two types of kidnapping. One is the traditional kidnapping for ransom and extortion (KRE), in which the kidnappers hold the kidnap victim in confinement at an undisclosed location, and demand large sums of money for her release on threat of death. In general the victims of this type of crime tend to be wealthy, powerful, and/or highly visible people–politicians, diplomats, wealthy entrepreneurs and business executives, entertainers, star athletes, and the families of any of these. This type of kidnapping is usually carefully targeted and carefully planned, and is not likely to affect the typical American study abroad student unless she is herself from a wealthy, powerful, or highly visible family. This type of kidnapping is, however, what diplomats and politicians and wealthy and powerful business people, both domestic and foreign–or people perceived to be such–need to worry about. That’s why you see such elaborate security precautions in high-end residential neighborhoods and business centers in Sao Paulo and Rio.</p>

<p>The other type of kidnapping that has exploded in recent years, not just in Brazil but in a number of other Latin American countries as well, is the so-called “express kidnapping.” Here the goal isn’t to extort a ransom from a third party; it’s to force the kidnap victim to withdraw funds from an ATM or to go on a shopping spree for the benefit of the kidnappers, on threat of torture and mutilation if the kidnapped party doesn’t cooperate. These are usually crimes of opportunity; anyone who looks like they have an ATM card or a credit card is a potential victim, especially if they are alone or appear unsuspecting. For this type of crime, merely dressing a certain way and carrying yourself as if you might have funds in a bank account and/or a reasonably high credit limit on your credit card might identify you as a potential victim. Best ways to combat this: always travel in groups, be discreet in your spending and appearance, be aware of your surroundings, be aware of your surroundings (keeping in mind that “suspicious” characters might themselves be well dressed), and don’t assume (as many of us do in the U.S.) that fashionable shopping districts or high-end shopping malls are “safe.” These areas tend to be magnets for this type of crime. This is especially true in the bigger cities, e.g., Sao Paulo, Rio, Salvador, Recife.</p>

<p>But I’d probably have no problem if one of my daughters wanted to study or work in Florianopolis, in Santa Catarina state in southern Brazil. Kidnappings and other violent crimes are relatively rare there. For Sao Paulo or Rio, however, I’d want to carefully vet the program and the exact location. Just as I would for, say, New York or Chicago.</p>

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<p>This argument seems to suggest that the rate of sexual assault in Brazil is much lower, which I don’t believe.</p>

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<p>No, I don’t think it really suggests that at all. It’s just that whenever Brazil comes up, everyone wants to talk about kidnapping. Which is a problem, but you need to put it in perspective. That’s why having a familiar reference point, like the incidence of sexual assault on U.S. campuses, is a helpful comparison.</p>

<p>Is sexual assault also a problem in Brazil? Of course it is. Is it worse than here, or better? I have no idea. Street muggings and purse snatchings and pickpocketing are also problems in Brazil. These type of crimes are far more prevalent in Brazil’s major cities than is kidnapping. But again, you can’t generalize for the entire country.</p>

<p>As for kidnapping, reliable statistics are impossible to come by, but most analyses suggest Brazil doesn’t rank among the 10 worst. That list would include Nigeria, India, Afghanistan, Iraq, Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Yemen. Many analyses throw in Turkey and Somalia. This is not so say it’s not a problem in Brazil, but it’s a problem that’s probably overhyped in the U.S. media.</p>

<p>I think the analogy to sexual assault on campuses is a poor one. Many, if not most of these crimes are not perpetrated by strangers. Many are date rape or party rape situations. It is a very different situation that does not require armed/unarmed guards, local guides and ransom money.</p>

<p>I have a little more information. One semester of study is spent in Sao Jose do Rio Preto in the state of Sao Paulo. An internship follows, so the place depends on the location of the internship chosen by the student. There are no dorms. The students live together in apartments or houses arranged between the students and the overseas coordinator.</p>

<p>Oh, also apparently the students who have studied in Brazil through this program to date have not had any issues with safety, other than one student had some valuables stolen after he left them behind in open view in a public place.</p>

<p>I have only visited Brazil twice in the big cities, but my H works in commodities and has been to Brazil many times. The city where your D might be is closer to the interior and is in an agricultural area. It will not be like Sao Paulo or Rio. Your D might have a very good experience. Brazilians are very warm and hospitable. It’s a beautiful country. But she cannot go anywhere alone. Her blond hair, etc. will not be a problem as Brazil is a multiethnic society (Gisela Bundchen is Brazilian). But she has to have a lot of street awareness and common sense, and of course she cannot get involved with “party people” or drugs of any kind.</p>

<p>“That list would include Nigeria, India, Afghanistan, Iraq, Mexico, Columbia, Venezuela, Pakistan, the Philippines, and Yemen. Many analyses throw in Turkey and Somalia.”</p>

<p>Per capita, last time I looked, you have to throw in Canada. <a href=“http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_kid-crime-kidnappings[/url]”>http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_kid-crime-kidnappings&lt;/a&gt; (Remember that kidnapping includes exactly that: kids stolen, often by non-custodial parents.)</p>

<p>" other than one student had some valuables stolen after he left them behind in open view in a public place."</p>

<p>“Stolen?” (that’s a pretty broad definition of stealing)</p>