<p>Ramapo</a> College of New Jersey || News and Events</p>
<p>It has to do with the fact that Ramapo is closer to home for many Rockland students than the SUNY schools. Location and the fact that it was a good way to boost the student population at the college. The addition of the NY kids boosted Ramapo's student population by 25% (more money for the school). SUNY does not need to boost their student population.</p>
<p>tom1944, I agree with you about supply and demand. Yes, I do think that Ramapo, is looking for OOS students, but so are many SUNYs. I would think that is situation in other states too. For exampl, In PA, perhaps West Chester U. or Kutztown also need to work harder at getting OOS students than Penn State. I would never compare OOS tuition at Richard Stockton (another NJ public) with Penn State's OOS tuition and expect them to be equal. One is a flagship university with national recognition and the other is a regional college.</p>
<p>nysmile, in this economy, I doubt that Ramapo needs to boost its sudent population. I think that deal was in place last year. I don't know if it is currently available, even though that article stated that it was discontinued in 2004. BTW, whether Rockland is close or not, New Yorkers are not subsidizing Ramapo, and the New Jersey taxpayer could have a problem with that too!</p>
<p>Ramapo had excess capacity for 2008 Fall- they had to put kids up in hotels.</p>
<p>At the time when this was introduced (in the 1980's), the 25% increase must have been needed--otherwise, such a policy would not have been put into place.</p>
<p>College Board states that 98% of the students at Ramapo are from NJ</p>
<p>Yes, nysmile, Ramapo is not a flagship and has a similar % of OOS students as some SUNY schools. </p>
<p>Things have changed in terms of the economy and at Ramapo. Tom's comment about needing to house students in hotels last year does not surprise me.</p>
<p>I think all state schools will be packed to the gills next year, and will have to deal with political fall out of accepting OOS given that. IMHO.</p>
<p>I think everyone needs to remember -if there are no out of state kids the in state cost has to go up.</p>
<p>Northeast, perhaps what you are pointing out is the flagship SUNYs should be charging appreciably more of OOS.</p>
<p>Tom, OOS only result in $$ to state if there is excess capacity. State provides capital costs. SUNYdoes not reimburse, only provides operating cost. In today's world, I suspect excesss capacity is disappearning.</p>
<p>kayf, yes, I do think that SUNY Bing should charge OOS students more than SUNY Brockport. That is JMO, but then again, even Bing is not getting the OOS students to support that decision.</p>
<p>"I think all state schools will be packed to the gills next year, and will have to deal with political fall out of accepting OOS given that. IMHO."</p>
<p>kayf, some of the SUNY's, including Cortland are already packed this year though not to the point of hotel dorms. Friends report that their kids, and many of the freshman class, are tripled in double rooms.</p>
<p>As a NY resident I have long felt that the SUNY's were artificially low - for both instate and out of state residents! I know this is not a popular opinion (instate), but there really are more pressing social issues that we need to spend money on other than tuition subsidies. I do wish that NY would just make tuition agreements with neighboring states - good for them, good for us, good for diversity.</p>
<p>I agree sk8. I would like to see a consortium of northeast/ new england public schools with reciprocal tuition agreements. I doubt NY or NJ will be offered that however- our students pay a lot of oos tuition.</p>
<p>Tom, the reason no one wants a consortium, is that NY, one of the biggest states, gives it away. Why pay in (allow OOS in your state at reduced rate) if you can get if for free. So for NY to make this work, they have to raise OOS.</p>
<p>There already is a consortium (somewhat) of New England public colleges: UMass, URI, UConn, UVM, UNH, Maine where you can get discounted tuition if your home state does not offer your major but it is offered at another New England school</p>
<p>I just rec'd an email from the President of Penn State about the financial crisis, referencing the fact that Penn State has not yet implemented mid-year tuition increases as have many other schools nationally. The email to the Penn State Community is very detailed and bleak however - a signficant reduction in state funding both for this year and anticipated budget support next year, salary freezes, delays of existing construction projects and possible cancellation of projects still in development, reduction in endowment spending which could eliminate programs supported by that funding, etc. Department managers are being told to find savings. State revenues are down signficantly, which means that the allocated funding isn't fully available to meet the budget. I think it's very clear that signficant tuition increases are coming even for state-supported schools, and that we may see mid-year tuition increases at more schools (including Penn State) as the economic crisis continues to impact the education industry. </p>
<p>This is a slippery slope. As schools begin to raise tuition by semester, it may become a customary practice even when the economy improves. Clearly, we can expect increased tuition even for state universities which will further impact families struggling to meet already expensive education costs.</p>
<p>kayf-I believe if they raised the oos tuition to be in line with the other schools they would not get the oos students they want. In fact I bet they would have such a decrease in oos kids that they would actually get less oos money not more.</p>
<p>Tom, yes I assume they would get less OOS students, but if they are short on spots, one has to factor in that state taxpayers are footing part of the bill.</p>
<p>kayf- with less oos students either State taxpayers foot the additional money needed or the in state kids pay more tuition.</p>