<p>I was checking some of vthe SUNY schools and many have incredibly low attendence by out of state students, I mean in some cases only 2 or 3%. Anybody know why? I just toured Oneonta and liked it but is the OOS acceptence rate low.. or do not many OOS types apply? Is anyone aware of any incentives to boost OOS attendence?</p>
<p>I have an OOS student attending a SUNY, who did receive a grant. There was a thread on this awhile ago, since SUNY is raising its tuition for OOS students by quite a bit. I think it’s still a bargain compared to our own in-state rates. My kid is very happy with SUNY Buffalo. </p>
<p>I don’t know why more kids don’t apply to the SUNYs. We live only a few hours away, but most of the kids from our area go to either local LACs, our state schools, a few Ivies and a few other colleges every year. It seems like every year most of the graduating class goes to the same schools. We’ve seen the SUNY reps at college fairs, but they don’t seem to market as heavily as many other state systems.</p>
<p>I agree about their marketing. I live in CT and we only ever hear about or are visited by Binghamton, Albany and Geneseo. We have 400+ graduates going to 185 colleges and the only SUNY schools being attended are New Paltz, Albany, Binghamton and Buffalo. It can’t be they don’t need or want the OOS…</p>
<p>Some of it may be wariness of small, Upstate NY towns and the region’s well-earned reputation for gray, snowy weather. If you look at those SUNYs that have had more success in luring OOS students – Stony Brook and Binghamton, for example – they are generally closer to NYC and outside the snow belt. </p>
<p>As for marketing, Chris (SBUAdmissions) noted a couple years back that Stony Brook and at least a few other SUNYs were hoping to become more aggressive in reaching out of state to potention applicants. I’m not sure how far this effort got, and how much the economic downturn has adversely effected OOS marketing.</p>
<p>I think Hudson has it right. I do think the weather and dreariness of small upstate towns don’t play well in luring college kids to attend our Suny schools. Heck- alot of our own NY kids prefer going OOS too. We just don’t have the same Ra! Ra! sports environment that UConn or U Maryland have.
But in defense of SUNY- (I’m Oswego grad, hubby from Albany and d # 2 attending Cortland)- you can get a very fine education at an affordable price.
My d is so much happier at Cortland than I thought she would ever be. You learn to adjust to the weather and small town living.</p>
<p>As we too had looked at some OOS publics, I’d compare some of the SUNY college campuses to a Rowan (NJ), West Chester ¶ or Eastern Conn (?)- it was close to U Conn). Whether it is worth paying OOS tuition to attend a similar type school is your decision. But SUNY does have some specialty programs that may make it worth the cost difference- like sport management at Cortland, music performance at Fredonia and Potsdam (?) and Environmental Science at Syracuse.<br>
When we toured some of the SUNY campuses, I was pleasantly surprised. I really did like cortland, oneonta, and new paltz. I thought they were very pleasant campuses and the enrollment of 6000-8000 made it an ideal learning atmosphere for my kid.
I do know there are a # of OOS kids in the sport management dept at Cortland. But the vast majority are New Yorkers.</p>
<p>Just to clarify, SUNY Purchase has a nationally recognized conservatory level performance program, an extremely tough audition admit. Potsdam (Crane SOM) and Fredonia both have very good music ed programs and solid, respectable music performance concentrations.</p>
<p>Sorry, I do not buy the weather excuse. Many of the Ivy’s and top LAC’s are in the same northeast weather area.</p>
<p>I personally think SUNY schools do not have great national reputations, and thus attract OOS, because SUNY central (Administrative offices overseeing all SUNY’s) does not allow it in an indirect way. It strives to be mediocre. </p>
<p>Their latest move is to force all 4 year SUNY colleges to accept all 2 year SUNY (ie CC’s) school courses as exactly equivalent. In other words, if you take a first level accounting course at a 2 yr school, the 4 yr school must accept it as equivalent even though the 2 yr school did not cover 1/3 of the material the 4 yr school course covers. And it was no where near as rigorous.</p>
<p>SUNY is marketing to the lower income, lower stats student and is trying to increase diversity. These are stellar goals. But they are neglecting the other end of the market.</p>
<p>Genesco and Binghamton are trying hard to become a college of first choice nationally. Oneonta, and a few other SUNY’s are becoming much more selective. But they have to fight SUNY central.</p>
<p>You definitely can get a great education at a SUNY at a great price. Unfortunately, students nationally are not aware of this.</p>
<p>the point of the state college is to educate the residents of the state, not out-of-staters who want to take advantage of this, I don’t have a problem with SUNY’s marketing towards in-staters only.</p>
<p>D applied and was accepted toBinghampton and Albany. Took all APs and honors, ranked 4 in class and she received no amount of aid.She also graduated with a honor regent diploma. Whatever happened to regent scholarships?
She was offered a very nice FA package from OOS public. There is no incentive to keep bright kids in state.</p>
<p>pierre0913 - Keep in mind that students paying OOS tuition are a big source of revenue for many state school systems, helping to keep tuition lower for in-state residents. The OOS tuition for Penn State, Vermont, and UCONN for example, brings significant revenue to the schools. Raising the profile of the schools nationally increases the alumni base around the country, and helps draw top professors and research grants. Name/reputation recognition and a broader alumni base helps with job hunting nationally (not everyone wants to stay in-state), and increasing the number of applications by adding more OOS residents also helps with USNWR rankings. Many people believe that a diverse student body adds to the college experience, as evidenced by critiques in the college review books. There are many very good reasons why most state school systems spend money on marketing. </p>
<p>Milkandsugar - My kids also got no money from our own PA in-state schools, but were offered scholarships and honors colleges from the Ohio and NY schools where they applied.</p>
<p>morris- I thought many community colleges have “articulation agreements” that allow its grads the ability to transfer to 4 year institutions if the student met all requirements of the agreement. I didn’t think NYS handled its community college kids any differently than other states.
I would also not consider your typical SUNY college student (not university center) as a lower stat student. It’s difficult gaining admittance to a SUNY college with less than a
B + or 87 average and about 1100 SAT’s. To me that is a solid student and the type of kid the SUNY colleges are aiming to enroll.<br>
violadad- you’re absolutely right about Purchase- just sort of slipped my mind for the moment.</p>
<p>Big-time sports are a major draw for OOS students to public schools, both from the standpoint of the opportunities for attendance and the name recognition that comes from the sports coverage. Next door in Pennsylvania, a quarter of Penn State students come from OOS.</p>
<p>UConn in my state has 77 instate, the rest OOS. I know more and more want to come from OOS and I’m sure UConn welcomes the extra money (although they aren’t that inexpensive for instate)
My daughters have gotten a few things from Suny Geneseo but mostly Stonybrook. For them insolation and the cold does matter, but like one poster said, it would eliminate all schools like that,not just the Suny’s.</p>
<p>This doesn’t include UConn but is a new agreement with Ct community colleges and our 4 state universities:
<a href=“http://www.southernct.edu/news/dualadmissionprogr_182/[/url]”>http://www.southernct.edu/news/dualadmissionprogr_182/</a></p>
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<p>SUNY’s, and many of the privates as well, have always had articulation agreements with CC’s. I did my first 2 years at a CC nearly 30 years ago and transferred to SU as a junior. I had no trouble at all keeping up or graduating with a 3.85 and found that my CC courses had more fully prepared me for the upper division classes than many of my classmates who had started there as freshmen. I’m sure this depends both on the student and on the CC, but SUNY CC’s have always had curriculum requirements. Btw, not all CC credits are directly transferrable - my D is taking some at a CC through dual enrollment which will not transfer as core credits to UB. They may allow her to use them as electives.</p>
<p>SUNY marketing is abysmal. They don’t even “sell” themselves to instate students!</p>
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<p>I believe they’re now called Scholarships for Academic Excellence - NYS gives 8,000 of them per year so it’s become much more difficult to get. Of course, the awards are higher than the old Regents Scholarships, which were distributed by county population, as I remember.
<a href=“http://www.highered.nysed.gov/kiap/pdf/SAE2009BULLETIN.pdf[/url]”>http://www.highered.nysed.gov/kiap/pdf/SAE2009BULLETIN.pdf</a></p>
<p>SUNY’s marketing plan has been pretty straightforward for decades. Lobby the public school guidance counselors around the state to strongly recommend (or require) that all seniors apply to at least one SUNY. More recently the SUNYs have been ramping up the direct mail campaign to all NYS students. I remember when D1 was preparing for the application process her guidance counselor leaned on her pretty heavily to at least put in a SUNY application even though she was determined to go to an out-of-state LAC (south of NYS I would add, she hates winters in UpstateNY). </p>
<p>So I would disagree that marketing is “abysmal in NYS.” OOS may well be a different story.</p>
<p>might be NYS has “stealth marketing” technigues to lure OOS kids. Thought it interesting that Neon’s kid (Pa resident) gets grant to attend SUNY; and Milk and Sugar’s kid (NY resident) gets no $ from NYS but does receive money from an OOS public U. Maybe that is a technigue to get more OOS kids to attend public’s in other states and increase national reputation. This may be more prevalent in lesser known public schools like SUNY or other schools that have a small OOS population. Somehow these incentives may not be as necessary at the popular public U’s like UVA or U Maryland or Penn State.</p>
<p>I’m also hearing it’s a bit easier for OOS kids to get into our SUNY’s- so an OOS kid with an 89 average may have a better shot at admittance at Geneseo or Binghamton than a NY kid would have with similar stats.</p>
<p>and who said no Big Time sports at SUNY?? Cortland won the Division 3 National Championship in Lacrosse yesterday. Cortland is also hosting the Jets summer training camp this year. Hopefully that will be good for the economy in central NY.</p>
<p>When my son was applying to schools 4 years ago, he only got offers from one Suny, (Stony brook) while my daughters got more. I think they are increasing it a little bit. Neither of them sent for any info. Stony brook, Geneseo and my daughter thinks she got Binghamton recently were the only ones of memory. Stony brook sends the most of the 3.</p>
<p>Hudson – NO WAY parents are going to lobby for GCs to support SUNYs. </p>
<p>They badly screwed up admissions this year. Binghamton admissions at least has publicly stated it will improve next year. Some of the SUNYs with lesser reputations recieved many applications, and didnt realize it was atributable to kids with fears of not getting in any SUNY (same number of kids, more apps). They reject kids with a letter – sorry we recieved too many qualified apps and now gueess what – they have open spots. SUNY Central Admin is trying to have their enrollment management save their sorry a**es. </p>
<p>They are disorganized, give away low-tuition at Binghmaton and Geneseo to OSS. Sunys dont deserve any more NYS support.</p>
<p>Kayf – What are you talking about? I did not say anything about parents lobbying GCs to support SUNYs. What I did say is that part of SUNY’s age-old marketing strategy has been to nudge public school counselors to make sure that all students apply to at least one SUNY.</p>
<p>Marny – “Big time sports” is usually understood to mean Division I football and basketball. In this the SUNYs are indeed lacking. Only Buffalo plays DI (BCS) football. Albany plays DI (FCS) or what used to be called DI-AA football. Buffalo, Binghamton, Albany and Stony Brook all play DI basketball, but their teams only get recognition when they make the so-called “Big Dance,” the NCAA tournament, which is infrequent. The bottom line is that the SUNYs do not have a “Big Time” sports scene like Penn State, Ohio State, Virginia or even Rutgers.</p>
<p>BTW, congrats to Cortland (Division III) and C.W. Post (Division II) on winning their respective lacrosse national championships. Syracuse and Cornell will battle it out today for the Division I title. NYS is guaranteed a sweep of the men’s lacrosse championships.</p>