<li> Safe to walk from class to class during the day. Yes___ No___</li>
<li> Safe to take a bus from campus to Center City
in the evening up til midnight. Yes___ No___</li>
<li> Safe to go from building to building for social
activities, say up until 12:00 a.m. Yes___ No___</li>
<li> Safe to take subway up til, say 9:00 p.m. Yes___ No___</li>
</ol>
<p>Any takers?</p>
<p>Yesyesyesyes</p>
<ol>
<li>yes</li>
<li>yes</li>
<li>yes</li>
<li>yes</li>
</ol>
<ol>
<li>- of course yes</li>
<li>In fact, safe to walk back and forth from campus to Center City 24/7.</li>
<li>Social activities? Try until 2 or later. With other people, of course</li>
<li>Subway's safe as late as it runs - midnight.</li>
</ol>
<p>Depends. Safety is always about being aware of your surroundings and using common sense, whether you are in a city, small town, or rural area. Keep in mind safety is relative, too. Unless you are a drug dealer, driving a car is at least a hundred times more dangerous than being in a city, even a very "bad" area of one like West or North Philly, which implies that campuses where you may have to drive a lot to get anywhere, such as Dartmouth, are actually significantly more dangerous than urban ones. Also, you should factor in the murder rates & potential murder rates due to massive terrorist attacks (like 9/11 or larger), since those kill people randomly, as opposed to general murder rates which mostly affect people who are already involved in criminal activity... which would imply that campuses in New York City are probably a lot more dangerous than ones anywhere else.</p>
<p>um... terrorist attacks?
thats happened once and almost six years ago now</p>
<p>Sonssecty, you've asked these safety questions over and over again in different threads; why?
Thousands of students graduate every year from Penn and Drexel without experiencing any violence; that said, no one can guarantee that any student will be safe, on any campus. It's the luck of the draw.</p>
<p>In my opinion, I would not let any child of mine to commute between Center City and Penn campus taking public transportation after dark. If he/she had to live off campus, it wouldn't be more than a couple of blocks away.</p>
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Also, you should factor in the murder rates & potential murder rates due to massive terrorist attacks (like 9/11 or larger), since those kill people randomly, as opposed to general murder rates which mostly affect people who are already involved in criminal activity... which would imply that campuses in New York City are probably a lot more dangerous than ones anywhere else.
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<p>For once, I agree with posterx. Terrorism is a very real threat and the single biggest thing keeping me from wanting to go to Columbia hands-down for grad school.</p>
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I would not let any child of mine to commute between Center City and Penn campus taking public transportation after dark. If he/she had to live off campus, it wouldn't be more than a couple of blocks away.
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<p>Well it gets dark at like 5pm in the dead of winter...anyway SEPTA's route 21 bus is fine to take at any time and much cheaper than a taxi. It's perfectly safe</p>
<p>Oh, and to the survey, yes yes yes and yes</p>
<p>@ cbreeze:</p>
<p>Are you serious? The space between Center City and campus is safer than most of the area on campus. It really is a safe walk, any time of the day. It's only when you get into west philly, where students actually live, where you see muggings and robberies.</p>
<p>As to commuting, I wouldn't recommend it, but for other reasons. Housing in Center City is prohibitively expensive for most Penn students. Rit square and that area runs more than 2000 a month for apartments, and housing can be had near campus for ~ 650.</p>
<p>The void between center city and university city is quite safe, but definitely lacking in, uh, feng shui or something. That is to be addressed in the eastward expansion masterplan</p>
<p>"Terrorism is a very real threat and the single biggest thing keeping me from wanting to go to Columbia hands-down for grad school."</p>
<p>I don't think it is that risky to visit or study for a couple years, but if you're thinking of where you want to live long term, given the threat of nuclear terrorism, choosing New York City is quite potentially the equivalent of committing suicide.</p>
<p>Mattwonder, read my post. I said taking public transportation. I would personally not want to wait for a bus at a stop or go underground for a subway after dark. Who knows what is lurking down there ? Walking is better than taking public transportation; if you are just waiting around for a bus or subway, you make a better target.</p>