Suspended student for plagiarism - Help!!

[Yurtle]

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You know, his foot is already bleeding, so the only thing we can do for him now is to offer ways to fix up that wound.

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<p>Yes. The OP’s foot is bleeding. But the OP’s foot is bleeding after the gun handling trainer [the school] told the OP not to mess around with guns. The OP didn’t listen, and then proceeded to shoot themselves in the foot. </p>

<p>This was no one’s fault but the OP’s, and they were warned. I don’t see why this has to be a ‘please sympathize with me!’ thread especially since it’s clear they didn’t learn the first AND second time. </p>

<p>Plagarism is, at many schools, an expelling offense. Be glad you were so lucky as to get off with a mere suspension after committing the offense twice.</p>

[drake4505]

<p>ArtemisDea - I never claimed that plagiarism was ok because the material was common and boring. I was simply trying to illustrate the fact that ideas may overlap because so many reviews have been written on classics.</p>

<p>Nester - I am not trying to justify me copying material from a website. I was just trying to spark discussion on whether or not there is a difference between copying an entire paper without any personal thought versus coming up with a thesis, points of argument, and using broad and general ideas to support those claims (and if two years would be considered a little harsh by some). </p>

<p>Thanks to all those who sympathize with me thus far.
Thanks to all those that have provided their thoughts and opinions on the matter also.
I appreciate all your feedback.</p>

[Yurtle]

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I was just trying to spark discussion on whether or not there is a difference between copying an entire paper without any personal thought versus coming up with a thesis, points of argument, and using broad and general ideas to support those claims (and if two years would be considered a little harsh by some).

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<p>The difference is there. You, however, didn’t show that. You still:</p>

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I then copied material (some parts word for word) from a website in a supporting capacity only.

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The second part of the short paper was a basic summary of Conrad’s short story. Since the copied parts were elements of the public sphere, I did not find it necessary to cite the webpage I read to get the ideas from.

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I modified the information on the webpage to support my claims.

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If I had just written one little citation, I wouldn’t need to post this.

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<p>Surprise, but you should’ve went to a writing center the first time you made a mistake and asked how to fix it. Word for word WITHOUT CITATION? Plagarism. “Modifying to support claims” plagarism. </p>

<p>There are things called works cited that list all the works you cite directly, and bibliographies for everything you read but didn’t quote directly. It’s what you do when you’ve utilized ‘broad ideas’ to support your claims. You don’t need to cite the date of say, the war of 1812. You DO need to cite a source if you say the war of 1812 “costed $___ and was known as the highlight of so-and-so’s career, as he wrote to a friend” [source of fact/orignal document text of letter/whatever]. You can just add to the bibliography if you say something like “The war of 1812 caused much animosity between ____ and ___ and was largely seen as a failure/sucess” That’s when you just mention in the end of your paper that you read 1812: A History, 1812: Through the eyes of soldiers, and The War of 1812 by Professor Knowsitall.</p>

<p>[Bibliographies</a>! -SNU](<a href=“http://home.snu.edu/~hCULBERT/biblio.htm]Bibliographies”>Why do I need a bibliography page?)</p>

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You need a bibliography page when . . .
When you look up stuff in preparation for writing something, you should acknowledge and report the use of those sources even if you do not use any direct quotes from them.</p>

<p>Use a bibliography page to tell me . . .

1. You actually did some research.
2. You checked more than one source.
3. Who wrote your sources.
4. Who published your sources.
5. When your sources were published. </p>

<p>You can tell me all these things by giving me a proper bibliography page. A paper lacking a bibliography page may lead me to think one of two things (neither of which is good for your grade):</p>

<p>You made up everything
You copied from one source and do not want to tell me what it was.

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<p>[When to Cite Sources - Princeton](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pub/integrity/08/cite/”>http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pub/integrity/08/cite/&lt;/a&gt;)</p>

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The five basic principles described below apply to all disciplines and should guide your own citation practice. Even more fundamental, however, is this general rule: when in doubt, cite. You’ll certainly never find yourself in trouble if you acknowledge a source when it’s not absolutely necessary; it’s always preferable to err on the side of caution and completeness. Better still, if you’re unsure about whether or not to cite a source, ask your professor or preceptor for guidance before submitting the paper or report.</p>

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<li>Quotation. </li>
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<p>2. Paraphrase. Paraphrase is a restatement of another person’s thoughts or ideas in your own words, using your own sentence structure. A paraphrase is normally about the same length as the original. Although you don’t need to use quotation marks when you paraphrase, you absolutely do need to cite the source, either in parentheses or in a footnote.If another author’s idea is particularly well put, quote it verbatim and use quotation marks to distinguish his or her words from your own. Paraphrase your source if you can restate the idea more clearly or simply, or if you want to place the idea in the flow of your own thoughts—though be sure to announce your source in your own text (“Albert Einstein believed that…”) and always include a citation. Paraphrasing does not relieve you of the responsibility to cite your source.</p>

<p>3. Summary. Summary is a concise statement of another person’s thoughts or ideas in your own words. A summary is normally shorter than the original — a distillation of the source’s ideas. When summarizing other people’s ideas, arguments, or conclusions, you must cite your sources — for example, with a footnote at the end of each summary. Taking good notes while doing your research will help you keep straight which ideas belong to which author. Good note-taking habits are especially important when you’re reviewing a series of interpretations or ideas on your subject.</p>

<p>**4. Facts, Information, and Data. **Often you’ll want to use facts or information to support your own argument. If the information is found exclusively in a particular source, you must clearly acknowledge that source.</p>

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<p>[Not-so-common</a> knowledge -Princeton](<a href=“http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pub/integrity/08/notcommon/]Not-so-common”>http://www.princeton.edu/pr/pub/integrity/08/notcommon/)</p>

<p>Also, Public domain =/= common knowledge.
And Wikipedia is not a legit source.</p>

[Drought]

<p>Ahhh, I love ArtemisDea the internet hardass. One day you’re going to screw up and you’ll need forgiveness and commiseration in order to move on with your life. Try to be more understanding.</p>

[vinceh]

<p>I’m beginning to think the OP is writing a paper on plagiarism and we are doing the research for him.</p>

[Northstarmom]

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Nester - I am not trying to justify me copying material from a website. I was just trying to spark discussion on whether or not there is a difference between copying an entire paper without any personal thought versus coming up with a thesis, points of argument, and using broad and general ideas to support those claims (and if two years would be considered a little harsh by some). "</p>

<p>I suggest that you do your own research about degrees of plagiarism.</p>

<p>I don’t think that getting a 2-year suspension after a second plagiarism incident is harsh. I think you were lucky not to have been expelled.</p>

[Pea]

<p>drake4505 – you can get through this. I know people who have committed infractions, not plagerism, other things, and have had their entire record wiped out from a school. It is called expungment and they were/are totally screwed. Left with student loans and no degree and no way to account for where they were during that period of time.</p>

<p>Just accept the punishment and when it was over go back and finish your degree. This too shall pass.</p>

[Beautifulnights]

<p>How did you manage to plagiarize on a THREE PAGE PAPER? </p>

<p>And your argument about ‘not knowing what you had at stake the first time’ is bs. I’m even angered that your family put their live savings for you to go to college, and you risk it all by pulling a paper from the web! Really? You didn’t think they’d check? </p>

<p>I really think you need those 2 years to mature, and think of what education really means to you - because if you were really concerned about learning, you wouldn’t have pulled a paper from the internet in the first place. Just like you wouldn’t have copy and pasted a summary from a web site.</p>