suspension due to academic dishonesty

<p>All Incidents Are Not Character Flaws!</p>

<p>You must be kidding me.</p>

<p>What then is a character flaw? Hacking into another applicant's school system and reducing her final semester grades to zero in hope of getting off the waitlist? Hiring a hitman?</p>

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<p>But it is not an antisocial crime. It is at worst, a harm to the self.</p>

<p>Yeah maybe hiring a hitman</p>

<p>Why are we all still arguing about this? Nobody's views are going to change, we've all been reduced to sarcasm.</p>

<p>If you don't want to argue, then you don't have to.</p>

<p>Just wondering why everyone else is.</p>

<p>No one is perfect and everyone is entitled to times of desperation and bad choices. </p>

<p>I can think of two things that I have done in my life that definitely cross some ethical borders and were, all in all, bad choices. Neither had to do with academic honesty and were much more personal, but nevertheless I'm not perfect. But do I have a character flaw? No.</p>

<p>Everybody makes mistakes...I think it is totally understandable under the circumstances.
If you explain yourself properly, it won't be held against you</p>

<p>People who are not selfish and don't "cheat" will be evolutionarily selected against.</p>

<p>your babies will die.</p>

<p>I have to say, probably everyone applying to highly selective schools has at least as much, if not more, stress than you had at one point or another, and few of them seem to have cheating incidents to report. If I'm an adcom looking at you, and someone like you without the cheating incident, you're the one who's not getting in.</p>

<p>For instance, I had three tests the day before scrimmage for Academic Decathlon (which determines the teams) AND a debate tournament, which I ran to directly after scrimmage. Was it tempting to cheat one way or another and take the easy way out? Yes. But instead I worked hard and earned A's on all three, as well as doing well on both of my events the following day.</p>

<p>I'd say that if you fall back on cheating, it's not just bad judgment. It's a lack of resolve that could resurface at another point, especially in the more difficult atmosphere of college.</p>

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People who are not selfish and don't "cheat" will be evolutionarily selected against.</p>

<p>your babies will die.

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<p>Actually, evolutionary theory, social contract theory, and the Kantian Categorical Imperative would all disagree with you.</p>

<p>Cheating is a stable evolutionary strategy for the species only if the species can be sustained when every member of the species commits to cheating.</p>

<p>Considering the social nature of our species, this would in fact work against us.</p>

<p>Evolution</a> | Patience, fairness and the human condition | Economist.com</p>

<p>The subheading of the article reads: Apes are patient, but only people are fair. That may help explain why people came out on top</p>

<p>So now I want to ask you -- do you even think about what you say, and take a look at whether your statements make sense? Do you?</p>

<p>I mean, you totally just forgot about the selfish gene, right? (Or "selfish meme," for cultural transmission?) Or kin selection? Did you fail AP Bio?</p>

<p>Oh wait. Let me guess. You cheated on it. Your ignorance will come back to bite you eventually.</p>

<p>Unbelievable. Please, actually learn evolutionary theory before you cite it.</p>

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Nash equilibria with equally scoring alternatives can be ESSes. For example, in the game Harm everyone, C is an ESS because it satisfies Maynard Smith's second condition. While D strategists may temporarily invade a population of C strategists by scoring equally well against C, they pay a price when they begin to play against each other; C scores better against D than does D. So here although E(C, C) = E(D, C), it is also the case that E(C,D) > E(D,D). As a result C is an ESS.

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<p>Evolutionarily</a> stable strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</p>

<p>(You can visit the article for the payoff matrix.) </p>

<p>Some introductory reading material, so you can't cite that kind of bullcrap that cheating == selfish. The "selfish gene" that promotes cheating is not selfish at all -- it will just inhibit its own proliferation as the carriers of the gene increase. (Logistic differential equation.) It has limited its own carrying capacity, so once a population of alternate strategy players applies pressure to the cheating population, the cheating population becomes extinct. The "moronic gene," if you will, or the "moronic meme," if we're talking about cultural transmission.</p>

<p>?!?!?!?!</p>

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So now I want to ask you -- do you even think about what you say, and take a look at whether your statements make sense? Do you?</p>

<p>I mean, you totally just forgot about the selfish gene, right? (Or "selfish meme," for cultural transmission?) Or kin selection? Did you fail AP Bio?</p>

<p>Oh wait. Let me guess. You cheated on it. Your ignorance will come back to bite you eventually.

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wow. it was a JOKE?! that was a total overreaction joke...geesh</p>

<p>somebody is cranky today..</p>

<p>wow...im scared of galoisien now</p>

<p>I am amused by him.</p>

<p>I didn't bother reading all of the thread, but whatever. Cheating in high school isn't that big of a flippin' deal. So what you got a higher grade than what you "know". Big deal. If you don't really know the stuff, you won't get jobs, and you'll perform sub-parly in whatever profession you choose. </p>

<p>Let it go, people, let it go. Grades/scores aren't the most important things in our lives. Yeesh! Now someone close this thread before it wastes more space on the intarweb.</p>

<p>Amen to that.</p>

<p>People weren't arguing whether cheating is a "big deal"</p>

<p>The OP asked if it would hurt him in admissions, and the answer is yes, very much so.</p>

<p>It's a risk you take every time you cheat and the fact that people support attitudes such as yours is troubling as these are the people who will be leading the country in the future.</p>

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wow. it was a JOKE?! that was a total overreaction joke...geesh

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<p>You do not make jokes about evolutionary theory.</p>

<p>Please do not contribute to the public ignorance and misperception of the field. It's bad enough as it is already is.</p>

<p>Making jokes about Social Darwinism (so-called -- many of Social Darwinist theories ignore actual scientific findings) is akin to making jokes about the Holocaust. Simply unacceptable. Just don't do it.</p>

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Big deal. If you don't really know the stuff, you won't get jobs, and you'll perform sub-parly in whatever profession you choose.

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<p>But never mind the people who were unfairly knocked out on the way, right?</p>