<p>I am the Sophia Loren of my department at work.</p>
<p>LOL! That’s the only way such contests ever end, isn’t it???</p>
<p>just some food for thought: my D had a 3.6 with a lot of AP classes and a fairly rigorous load. She is in the top tier of her graduating class - BUT her SAT scores were not great at all, despite taking them a second time (ACT scores were similar). Although her references from teachers indicated how hard she worked and loved learning, etc. (they understood that she was not a great tester but loved having her as a student), a couple of colleges didn’t accept her academically (much to the dismay of some very supportive MT departments - it seems that some/many MT deapartments have no influence with the admissions depts. while others can help push kids through if the “package” indicates the students can/may succeed).</p>
<p>Conversely, she had friends with much lower GPAs (3.0) but had higher SAT scores (and in fact my D tutors THEM). Some of them were admitted academically to the schools at which she was denied. Frustrating? You bet - but clearly the schools have enough applicants to eliminate those below a particular SAT or GPA level. My D had spoken to two of the schools asking for an interview, but was told that without a higher score she still would not be considered.</p>
<p>So - if you or your child find themselves in a similar situation, you might want to consider a test prep course, or at least think about the schools to which you apply. </p>
<p>One conservatory program that we visited indicated that many of the MT students seem to fit my D’s profile: great student, high GPA, AP classes, lower than expected test scores. Interesting - a lot of our kids are pretty driven in many aspects of their worlds, including academics. -</p>
<p>Skwidjymom, I bet you are the Sophia Loren of your whole company, and not just your department. :)</p>
<p>Skwidjymom I LOVE Sophia Loren but now our age is showing! ;')</p>
<p>CrtnUp- Your story if a fine example of why schools should eliminate or place less emphasis on standardized testing. Bottom line- they just don’t want to mess up their stats on “average SAT/ACT scores”. Unfortunately they are missing out on great students who would be an asset to to the school.</p>
<p>NMR, you are the Meg Ryan of Baltimore.</p>
<p>How many AP classes are “a lot”? By the time he graduates S will have taken six AP classes—is that considered sufficient for schools like Michigan? And is there a required score on the tests, i.e. 4 or 5? S will automatically be an AP scholar (at least three APs with a score of 3 or higher)… is that enough?</p>
<p>LMAO!!! (I wonder how long we can carry on these “the XXX of XXXX” comparisons. Or maybe I daren’t throw down that gauntlet …)</p>
<p>ha, sorry 
i did not mean to start that. I am not even here for my academics, just know that is something i heard around when i was choosing my schools a few years ago. It is kind of funny all of the xxx of xxxx. Doesnt even matter though, just wanted to prove a point that acceptance can depend on many different things depending on the school you get into </p>
<p>smiles</p>
<p>hey,
I’m an international student from Sydney Australia.
My grades are average but I’m incredibly passionate about theatre, partically musical theatre. I’m in 12th grade this year and currently putting on my own original musical production that I wrote, I’m directing, I play a main role, marketing the whole thing and producing. I’m very interested in going into UCLA to do a musical theatre major. But I dont have a GPA to show and when I take the SAT i think my score will be fairly average due to my lack of maths skills. Does anyone know if UCLA looks at tallent over grades?
Love to hear some replies!</p>
<p>FYI: at UCLA, as long as you meet the UC Requirements, if you have a 3.0, you can be admitted to UCLA’s Theatre/MT programs. If you know UCLA, this is CRAZY! They turn down kids with 4.22 GPA’s and 2200 SAT’s regularly. UCLA is 80% audition.</p>
<p>For Skipsmom…six AP classes are a lot. And definitely sufficient for Michigan. My son has “only” taken four APs and was accepted everywhere academically, including Michigan, Syracuse and Northwestern (which is, arguably, one of the more difficult schools to get into academically). </p>
<p>My impression of the schools that consider academics is that they are looking at the total package of a) relative difficulty of the high school schedule, b) grades, c) standardized test scores, d) teacher recommendations, e) extracurriculars, etc., not necessarily in that order.</p>
<p>As for AP scores, be aware that threes and fours are NOT accepted for credit at several of the programs we’ve looked into. Northwestern, in particular, requires at least a four and frequently even a five in most if not all of their classes to place out of or get credit for a class.</p>
<p>I read in this thread that Penn State requires academic acceptance before audition-not so sure unless it has changed-my d auditioned by making appointment, etc but she was not accepted before the audition.</p>
<p>I would like to ask the same question, yet turn it over to grad school. I’m in my third year of my BMus for voice and will be applying to the three Masters of Music in Music Theatre programs: U of Montana, Arizona State U, and Oklahoma City U. I have a solid B university average, not sure what that qualifies as in terms of GPA. Anyone have any thoughts?? Thanks!</p>
<p>triumph…I believe that you are correct. We were told by Carey Lipkin’s admin asst. Paula Weyland that anyone can make an appt. for an audition, but the academic application is not even looked at until the performing arts dept. advises admissions that they are considering the student for their program. If a student states on the application that they are interested in a different major, they can then be considered for that.</p>
<p>Well, I just read on another forum that if you have 30 or more hours of college credit, NYU doesn’t take your SAT into account. You don’t even have to send it. But I did! And now, I wish I hadn’t…cause mine weren’t that good…</p>