TCNJ- The College of New Jersey

<p>You can certainly promote Rutgers without trying to do it at TCNJ's expense. Methinks thou dost protest too much.</p>

<p>To my knowledge, no one has ever intimated that TCNJ was a graduate-level institution. What has been said is that it provides a first-rate undergraduate education. TCNJ is more akin to an LAC, despite being a public university. In this thread itself, distinctions were made between the two colleges.</p>

<p>Students that choose TCNJ are often seeking a more intimate experience. With an undergraduate population of 6000, it is 1/4 the size of Rutgers. A very high percentage of students at TCNJ will experience classes of less than 20 students. Whereas at Rutgers, as is true of many large public institutions, a signficant percentage of classes will contain 50+ students, usually for introductory classes. And often, these classes are taught or assisted by TA's.</p>

<p>TCNJ is a very attractive, self-contained 290-acre campus, with a mix of older and newer Georgian Colonial buildings. 250M has been pumped into the infrastructure over the past 15 years and it shows. This is not the "Trenton State" that your mom attended. Rutgers is a larger, much more widespread campus. In fact, there are five separate and some may say, disparate campuses that form the college community. A shuttle bus is required to traverse the campus, even to attend dinner in most cases. Rutgers is also a diverse and vibrant community and has some very attractive and historic buildings. Students will often make their choice based on intimacy versus the bustle of large university life.</p>

<p>Let's not even bring up New Brunswick. If Newark and Camden are high risk cities, New Brunswick is medium risk +. The student comments alone can give you all the information you need to make a decision about New Brunswick.</p>

<p>You cannot take away the fact that TCNJ is rated "Most Competitive", one of 75 institutions with that categorization. The only other school in New Jersey with that classification is Princeton. TCNJ can be proud of that but certainly has much more room for advancement. William & Mary is a model that TCNJ would like to follow. Not coincidentally, W&M is often cited as one of the public Ivies. TCNJ aspires to that level but is not there yet.</p>

<p>And for those who state that TCNJ simply manipulated their application pool the past few years to raise their selectivity, that is being quite disingenuous. There is a significant and increasing population of competitive, high-achieving students entering the college annually. Most are in the top 10% of competitive NJ high schools with commensurately high SAT results. Highly motivated students require challenges. If TCNJ was a cakewalk, I guarantee you that the retention rate would reflect an exodus from the campus, yet the retention rate is 95%. Additionally, the Princeton Review rated TCNJ students as the "6th Happiest" in the country. There might be something to that retention rate.</p>

<p>The bottom line is that Rutgers and TCNJ offer students distinct college experiences. Both provide great educations at a reasonable cost and are situated in locations convenient to major metropolitan areas.</p>

<p>I would like to add that there is nothing wrong with going to a "college" rather than a "university". I understand that internationally college has a different meaning than in the U.S. There are many excellent colleges in the United States.</p>

<p>Well said, JerzyJim!</p>

<p>Why do some folk need to ridicule one school to highlight the supposed superiority of another?
Rutgers and TCNJ have not much in common, except that they are both public schools in NJ. One is not 'better' than the other.
The student/applicant needs to define what he/she is looking for in a college experience........then the choice between the two should be clear.</p>

<p>"Rutgers was asked to join the Ivy League not long ago and turned it down."</p>

<p>false, like ALL "X was asked to join the ivy league and turned it down" assertions. we've all heard our share.</p>

<p>Actually..Rutgers used to be in the Ivy League...granted it was in the 18th century, but Rutgers was founded by the Dutch in 1766 and is one of the oldest universities in the country.</p>

<p>"Actually..Rutgers used to be in the Ivy League...granted it was in the 18th century...."</p>

<p>false. the ivy league didn't EXIST until 1945. see:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/WhatIsIvy/history.asp%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ivyleaguesports.com/WhatIsIvy/history.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The point of my post wasn't to promote Rutgers. Although, I'll admit, it did happen. But from my girlfriend's experience at TCNJ, it ****es her off royaly that the faculty constantly associate themselves with Ivy League School.</p>

<p>Being competitive to get in is hardly an indicator of the quality of education. As I said, small school with low tuition, of course you are going to be competitive. Start charging what Princeton does for an education and see how competive you are. Until then, don't compare yourselves to them. You could also make the same competitive argument for the individual schools at Rutgers such as Rutgers College, Rutgers College of Engineering, Rutgers College of Pharmacy. However, Rutgers gets lumped into one big sum for statistics in magazines. </p>

<p>Apparently, you haven't been to New Brunswick lately. I've been here for 7 years and the city has been labeled by the NY Times as the fastest growing city in New Jersey. Blocks that were horrible 5 years ago are now the most expensive areas of the town. Crime is way down and the money is getting poured into the city left and right. We have several large buildings going up at any given time. We are no more dangerous than say hmmm... the Trenton area...</p>

<p>Let me ask you this, why would students want to walk away from a cakewalk. There are several colleges that are cakewalks in this state that baby their students. I'm not going to name them all...but Rutgers isn't one of them. From my girlfriends point of view (She's in the masters in teaching program), it's incredibly easy. But I'm not here to argue.</p>

<p>I'm sure TCNJ offers a good education at a quality price. But I'm also sure that TCNJ should not be associating themselves with the Ivy League.</p>