Tell Me I Am Not an Idiot

<p>This is a giant problem with schools like HYPSM. Most of the kids are used to being in the top 10% of the class (many probably within the top 1% of their class). Now at college, a full half 50% of them will be in the bottom half of the class. </p>

<p>You said that you did your best. You CAN’T do any better than your best. [The only thing you can do to get a better grade would be to cheat.] Be satisfied with your grade and move on. </p>

<p>If you really think that going to Yale will ruin your chance at medical school, then transfer. But I suspect that medical schools will dig deeper into the class at Yale than at other schools.</p>

<p>Beautiful post # 79, JHS.</p>

<p>Dbate: You are dealing with a plateful of tough issues, both acute and chronic. As others have told you, there is no shame in seeking professional help. Good luck to you.</p>

<p>“I think I just need to…calm down.”
This was your conclusion in another thread you posted recently, I believe.
If you want advice from NSM and JHS, then pm them. Your put down of other people’s advice because they are presumably not for the most part ivy league graduates is really arrogant and off-putting. I’m not too sure I’d want you to be my doctor, quite frankly, even if you do go to HMS.</p>

<p>mummom: When issues like the OP’s are discussed on the public board, students and parents struggling with similar concerns can learn from replies. PMs don’t have that value. Even if the OP doesn’t consider advice from non-Ivy grads important (and I don’t get the sense that that’s the case), others do.</p>

<p>I second that about post #79 - terrific post, JHS. Advice that is useful not only to the original poster but to many others. Thanks</p>

<p>I think you need to deal with accepting yourself as gay before you worry about your med and law school worries. Don’t use the quest for perfection in your grades distract you from dealing with your real issues. </p>

<p>It’s ok to be gay, dbate.</p>

<p>Where I went to school, this was called the “Top Dog Syndrome”. Even in a class made up of Val’s, Sal’s, and top 5%, 1/2 have to be below average. Your grades are more than respectable, but I empathize if this is the first time you’ve had to deal with so many B’s. Relax, get over it, you’ll do fine.</p>

<p>You probably should seek counseling to deal with your conflicting thoughts about being gay and Baptist. I am sure there are groups and counselors at Yale who have resources to help kids get through what you are dealing with. </p>

<p>p.s. There are many other religions and churches (some even Baptist!) that welcome and affirm lesbian, gay, bi, transgender, and questioning young adults.</p>

<p>I endorse everything JHS said.</p>

<p>Another idea. I’m glad you’ve sought counseling about accepting your homosexuality. It must have been very consuming in terms of emotional energy and even time. That you are able to mention it on CC is a great step forward to accepting who you are. Perhaps, you will be able to move forward without so much soul-searching and angst.</p>

<p>As for studying, one of the things that profs have emphasized in my S’s undergrad and grad career is the importance of study groups. Some are informally organized; others are actually set up by the profs themselves. It’s a great way to learn and also to gauge how well you are doing in relation to the rest of your peers. It’s not a sign of weakness to learn from others.</p>

<p>Enjoy the last day of 2009!</p>

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<p>I agree with another poster that is kind of a slap in the face to everyone else.</p>

<p>OP, you seem to be going through a lot of “stuff”–good luck to you, sincerely!</p>

<p>I also applaud the posts of JHS and hope the OP will read them a couple of times. I particularly liked this one:</p>

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<p>Why? Anyone familiar with Dbate’s body of contributions on CC will laugh at the notion he might use his intellect and education to become a right-wing public intellectual! </p>

<p>Anyhow, what is the point to bring such irony --and perhaps humor-- in this very serious thread? I do hope that Dbate will find the strength to … let it go. Of course, not let it go completely and learn from this experience. Learn that nobody is perfect and that perfection is not required from any of us to accomplish great things. If he truly wants to be a great doctor and a graduate from a prestigious school, he will find the way. However, findingthe way will require reaching a balance that allows him to preserve his sanity. </p>

<p>As trite and hollow as this suggestion might be, I hope Dbate can find a way to relax and concentrate on what is important in his life at this time. One thing for sure is that it should not be a 3.45 versus 3.80 in the first semester of his freshman year at Yale, as he WILL figure out in the next years.</p>

<p>You have a lot of “shoulds” in your life. Where did they all come from?</p>

<p>One other thing jumped to mind when Dbate was talking about all of his “plans”:</p>

<p>Man plans, and God laughs.</p>

<p>Or,</p>

<p>Life is what happens to us while we’re busy making plans.</p>

<p>Oh Dbate, I wish I could give you a cup of tea, give you a hug, and tell you to go out and throw snowballs. (Oh wait; you’re not in the NE right now; you’re back in Texas.) Spend some time at the mall, or at the playground, or playing video games. Take a deep breath, and a yoga class. Take care of your spiritual side – not necessarily religion per se, but your personhood. As we have all been saying, you are more – much more – than your grades.</p>

<p>Some of this you will simply realize as you get older. Some of this you will realize as you discover other parts about yourself that you didn’t know about. That’s one of the things Yale is good for: There’s a lot to sample. Don’t stay unilaterally focused on your “plan.” Branch out and see what else Yale, and life, have to offer.</p>

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<p>I’ve said this to myself LOTS of time because it is SOOO true! LOL</p>

<p>I’ve had a similar experience of having to come to terms with no longer being a “top dog” academically at an educational institution. It taught me a life changing, priceless lesson in humility and how to guage self worth. I can only hope that the OP can learn similar lessons.</p>

<p>This is wjb’s son posting:</p>

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<p>This is not true of all Yale classes. It’s specific to the chem lab that you’re taking. I’m not sure of any other classes where a 94 is an A-.</p>

<p>Dbate, you might already know that Yale is the place where Maya Lin designed the Vietnam Veterans Memorial as a national competition entry, for a class she was taking at Yale. She won the national competition–that memorial is her design–but she got a B in the class. </p>

<p>@ QuantMech: That made me laugh so hard.</p>

<p>@Dbate. Relax man. Take a deep breath and work harder next semester. You’ll be ok, but stressing is not going to help anything.</p>

<p>I think your ego is your biggest problem at the moment.</p>

<p>Dbate, you sound to me like you’re under so much self-imposed pressure, and under so much stress because you’re gay despite being brought up in a religion that tells you (falsely) that it’s wrong, that you’re going to implode if you don’t ease up on yourself a little. And seek counseling.</p>

<p>There’s nothing wrong with a 3.45 GPA at Yale, even if it doesn’t improve. What’s the average GPA there? It must be lower than that, even with the so-called grade inflation. At the University of Chicago, where my son is in his second year, I think he told me that the average is a 3.2 or 3.3. And that he knows nobody at all who has anything higher than a 3.8 or so, no matter what their major. (His is a point or two below that, but he’s still very happy with how he’s doing, especially given all the science/math requirements at Chicago. Of course, he isn’t planning to go to medical or law school, but getting into a good graduate program in art history isn’t necessarily so easy either. But worrying about that now won’t help him, and it certainly won’t help you.)</p>

<p>In any event, you will get into medical school. Keep reminding yourself of that. As well as of the old joke that goes “Q: What do you call the person who graduated last in their class at medical school? A: Doctor.” </p>

<p>If your level of stress goes down, your grades will improve. Look. When I was a freshman at Yale, lo these many years ago, I had 2 B’s and 3 A’s in my 5 courses in my first semester. I was very disappointed. But things improved for me. I had a total of only 2 more B’s during the rest of my time at Yale, graduated Phi Beta Kappa (top 10%), and went to Harvard Law School. (By the way, if you decided to go to law school and wanted to shoot for the hardest place to get in, that would actually be Yale, because the entering class is so much smaller. Yale Law School was my first choice, but I only made the waiting list. I survived, and so will you if you don’t get into Harvard Medical or Law School.)</p>

<p>Did I work any harder during the rest of my time in college than I had the first semester? Not really. But I was happier personally, and under a lot less stress, after freshman year. (I didn’t get along with my freshman year roommate, and had a difficult time adjusting to life away from home.)</p>

<p>Which is why, in order to relieve some of the stress you’re under, you need to learn not only to accept the fact that you’re gay, but, even more importantly, to accept that it isn’t something you can change, and accept that there’s nothing wrong with it. And perhaps, someday, to be proud of it. You’ll be miserable until you can manage that. I can’t imagine how my son would be coping at the University of Chicago if he were coming out to himself only in college, instead of when he was 12 or 13. The first year of college is difficult enough without having to deal with that. </p>

<p>Although you’re way ahead of me. I knew in my heart that I was transsexual when I first heard the term, at the age of 9 or 10 (and had known that I should have been a girl many years before that). But I spent almost 40 years hating myself and being ashamed of myself because of it, and telling myself it couldn’t possibly be true that I was such an awful, repulsive, freakish being. Finally, I accepted that it was true. And that this was who I was and had always been, and that I couldn’t change it (since 40 years of attempted suppression of my true self had been a miserable failure). But it took a long time after that before I accepted that there was nothing wrong with it. And I’m not sure I’ll ever be proud of it; what I’m proud of, if anything, is how far I’ve come in self-acceptance.</p>

<p>What I went through is no way to live. Please do something now to start the process of true self-acceptance. Get counseling. Don’t be afraid or ashamed of associating with “those people” – people like you – and start going to LGBT social events, or meetings of LGBT organizations. The more people like yourself you meet, and the more you realize that they’re just people, no better or worse than anyone, the easier it may be to accept yourself. That’s more important by far than worrying about your grades.</p>

<p>I wish you well.</p>

<p>PS: I do hope you don’t vent too much to your fellow students about your “awful” grades. When I was at Yale, I’m sorry to say that pre-meds in general had the reputation of being horrible grade grubbers, and were both looked down upon and made fun of because of that. Don’t perpetuate the stereotype!</p>

<p>I haven’t read this entire thread, but as the parent of a first-year Columbia student, I was pleased to see him receive a B+ in one of his courses (not all of his grades are out yet). He’s never received anything less than an A before. A bit of humility, recognizing that very few are the best in all settings, and a simple inspirational “kick in the pants” are good for everyone. OP included.</p>

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<p>Thank you so much. It really has been a really difficult semester for in terms of this. Going from being a strict conservative southern baptist to being a gay man is really a 180 in terms of where I expected my life to go and I think it is definitely reflected in my grades. I am going to try joining the religious LGBT group here on campus and talk to some of the priests. </p>

<p>Despite the accusations of arrogance by those who do not matter, grades for me where a way to return to the normalcy of my former life. I felt that if I could get the grades I once did then I could return to being who I once was. Likewise, I used work and school to distract me just so I could get by every day. </p>

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<p>Is that why no one else seems to care or talk about grades? Because ALL the pre-meds definitely do :)</p>

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<p>No one cares what colleges these people went to, I respect them because they are consistent posters on CC with children and therefore more mature than I am. On the other hand I am much less inclined to take the advice of random people that I don’t know anything about. I think people who don’t go to Ivy league schools care more about that than people who do. </p>

<p>I’m not sure I would want to be your doctor, quite frankly :P</p>

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<p>In retrospect, the unrealistic expectations of a fifth grader :/</p>