<p>a rich man who wanted to has every right to use millons of dollar of his money to establish a shrine to his toe nail clipper, if he wants to. That does not mean I cannot point out thats its stupid. Calling something stupid does not mean saying we have the right to stop someone from doing it. Its just expressing our OWN freedom of speech, thank you very much.</p>
<p>As to why this is stupid, and at least slightly offensive, we need to ask again -what is ‘white culture’? Its not Polish culture, its not Irish culture, its not Italian culture, its not New England Yankee culture or Appalachian culture or bluegrass country culture. A scholarship for whites, like organizations for “the advancement of white people” are not about something positive (the way groups from Bnai Brith to the Daughters of Conferate Veterans are) - they are ONLY about saying “this is not for people of color”. Feh!</p>
<p>“In this respect, a poor white man who has no specific national affiliation is disadvantaged because he has no way to raise funds beyond working (and work alone will not pay for college at that age, you need loans at least, and you need scholarships if you get into private school). So yes, poor white men with no national or religious affiliation <em>are</em> disadvantaged in this particular field”</p>
<p>the vast majority of poor whites in this country with no national affiliation live in the South. Im willing to bet there are scholarships for descendants of confederate veterans, and if there arent, this guy could have created one. Or one for descendants of west virginia coal miners, or appalachian small farmers, or whatever. It wouldnt be that hard, but it seems like he had a point to make.</p>
<p>BTW, if theres an obtainable college scholarship for Jews, please let me know and soon.</p>
<p>Interesting how some of the same posters who insist that minorities are playing the victim and who applaud this scholarship as a fair and necessary one, also argue that the school environment (unchanged in 100 yrs) heavily favors girls. </p>
<p>Dont white men already get a leg up in admissions at schools that want to keep a 50/50 gender ratio?</p>
<p>Just shows that we’ll all play the victim if it suits our needs.</p>
<p>Why is it discriminatory if it is a scholarship for white males? Don’t many of them need money, too? Why is it NOT discriminatory if it is a scholarship for women, African Americans, Asians, Pacific Islanders, etc? These scholarships are given by groups or nonprofits that exist to support certain groups. They can certainly spend their own money any way that they see fit and support their own reason for being.</p>
<p>yup, it turns out there ARE scholarships for the descendants of Confederate Veterans. I bet a very large proportion of American whites “lacking a national affiliation” would qualify</p>
<p>My son got an email about a scholarship available from the Confederate Veterans of Illinois. We got a chuckle out of this, imagining a secret band of Confederate soldiers laying siege to Chicago.</p>
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<p>Unchanged in 100 years? High school in the past few decades has become very anti-male. (see the book The War Against Boys) Male traits are now often branded anti-social and the subtle message has become “you’re not wanted here.” The consequence has been that women are much more likely to consider themselves college material. Since average IQs across genders are roughly the same, the current 57%-43% female-to-male college ratio is a sociological effect.</p>
<p>The problem is that white culture, in any possible way of defining it that’s not related to a specific white ethnicity like Polish or Irish or a particular region like Appalachia, is close to synonymous with mainstream American culture. And that IS an example of white privilege - that <em>your</em> culture is considered American culture, is considered mainstream, is considered Us, rather than your culture being qualified via race, and considered Other.</p>
<p>I agree, I believe there are plenty of scholarships out there that are only for white or partially white people not necessarily by design but by virtue of what they celebrate such as scholarships for redheads, scholarships for descendants of Revolutionary War vets, scholarships for particular last names (not kidding), scholarships for people of European ethnic groups, etc. I bet there are plenty of scholarships out there that have only ever been awarded to white kids, not because they specifically want WHITE ONLY kids but because the particular attributes they are looking for pretty much only occur in Caucasians, which isn’t a good or a bad thing, just a fact.</p>
So I guess Obama would be considered ‘white’ when it comes to this scholarship.</p>
<p>I think it’d be funny if the same person received multiple scholarships each specifying one of ‘white’, ‘black’, ‘Asian’, ‘hispanic’ (which isn’t a race). It’s certainly possible for some people in this country.</p>
<p>I wonder if the ‘scholarship committees’ for these various scholarships that require one to be of a particular race require actual evidence, i.e. a family tree for some number of generations, in order to award it.</p>
<p>If you believe that it’s not appropriate for the scholarship to just be for a “white male,” rather than something more specific like a descendant of a Confederate soldier or an Appalachian coal miner, than why is it OK for awards and scholarship to just be for black people? Not black people who are descendants of an African slave, or black students with an income below $30,000, or whatever? You see, the premise behind many of these racial scholarships is that blacks are still negatively affected by slavery and the enduring effects of the resulting socio-economic oppression. The belief is that this history is what is causing them to be underrepresented in colleges, or underrepresented in the ranks of the National Merit scholars, and hence the need for special scholarships and an SAT score recognition program with lower standards just for blacks. But here’s the problem: kids like the young lady I talked about in the earlier post would be hard-pressed to convince anyone she was disadvantaged. Even if you want to say her skin color alone still evokes some occasional bias, the minimal affect in her case can’t be proven to be any worse than what a fat person, an ugly person, a person with bad acne, or a non-black recent immigrant might experience. (When I was growing up, I was one of only a handful of non-Mennonites in a public school full of inter-related Mennonites. There was bias.)</p>
<p>Furthermore, there are black-skinned immigrants whose ancestors were never enslaved here or abroad who are eligible for these scholarships and awards. Why does that make any sense? My son was irritated by the National Hispanic Recognition program for SAT scores for the same reason. For one, he found it insulting that someone thought it was necessary to lower the standards for Latinos, since he was able to achieve the regular standard for NMF. And secondly, he was perfectly aware that in his case and that of other Hispanics living in our area, having brown skin had negligible impact on the academic opportunities available.</p>
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<p>One of those (fastweb) was to a generic scholarship meta site, that had the keywords for jewish scholarships, but no links or substantive info. Thanks for googling though</p>
<p>One said some local federations, etc offered scholarships, nothing more specific. One was a bnai brith scholarship for jewish athletes - no help to my DD.</p>
<p>Only vaguely useful one was greater washington one for kids who did service. 2 modest scholarships - and the number of college bound Jews in greater washington is pretty high.</p>
<p>"If you believe that it’s not appropriate for the scholarship to just be for a “white male,” rather than something more specific like a descendant of a Confederate soldier or an Appalachian coal miner, than why is it OK for awards and scholarship to just be for black people? "</p>
<p>because, DESPITE west indian and more recently african immigration, despite cultural diversity among african americans, etc being black in the USA essentially IS a recognizable ethnicity, a distinctive grouping analagous to being Chinese, Jewish, Irish, appalachian or whatever. There may be a few individuals who reject any aspects of the shared culture, but I would estimate they are very few. </p>
<p>White is not. White, essentially, MEANS someone who shares the privileges (once substantial) of being white. [Amazon.com:</a> How the Irish Became White (9780415918251): Noel Ignatiev: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251]Amazon.com:”>http://www.amazon.com/Irish-Became-White-Noel-Ignatiev/dp/0415918251) Jews were “white” in South Carolina in the early 19th c - they often, along with Italians, were not during the peak of the great migration in 1890 -1910. They became white again, along with Italians, even Sicilians, after they became less threatening and their social position changed - though to some racist groups they are still not “white”.</p>
<p>Hmmmm. Bohannon is a Mass Communications major. He “and others” said they would raise $2500 (other people’s money?) and they are getting this much “play”. I bet he gets an A. ;)</p>
<p>"the vast majority of poor whites in this country with no national affiliation live in the South. Im willing to bet there are scholarships for descendants of confederate veterans, and if there arent, this guy could have created one. Or one for descendants of west virginia coal miners, or appalachian small farmers, or whatever. It wouldnt be that hard, but it seems like he had a point to make.</p>
<p>BTW, if theres an obtainable college scholarship for Jews, please let me know and soon. "</p>
<p>I totally support college scholarships for Jews but I do not know of any, sadly. I will PM you if I find one.</p>
<p>And I’m from the north. The north, the west, the south west and the midwest are all full of poor rural dwellers. The whitest states are actually in the Pacific Northwest. Oregon is one of the whitest states and it has a fairly high poverty rate. The suggestion that most poor whites are descended from Confederate Veterans is ridiculous. Most poor whites are in the mid-west, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, that type of thing.</p>
<p>Plus, how do you prove your ancestor fought for the Confederacy? We’re talking poor people, paperless people, people who have English last names, dad was on disability their whole life never sent a check, mama worked as a waitress, doesn’t know her grandmother’s maiden name, grandpa died when she was a baby. That type of thing. You think these boys know the name of their relative in the Confederate Army? If they do, I’ll bet you the chances that they are really poor is pretty low.</p>
<p>Oh, and the irony… a lot of poor “white” people who don’t know their ancestry are actually Jewish. Had to blend in to escape anti-Semitism. </p>
<p>I don’t find the argument, “Jews don’t have a scholarship so whites shouldn’t either” compelling. Make your own scholarship.</p>
<p>Mixed race heretics don’t have a scholarship either. You don’t hear me complaining.</p>
<p>I know my life and I know that as a brown person that looks vaguely Asian, the biggest hurdle I faced was economic. I faced it with all the poor white boys and brown boys and white girls and brown girls alike. I do believe that we need some affirmative action because of past discrimination but we also need affirmative action for the poor of every race. This is a private scholarship, not a public one.</p>
<p>“White is not. White, essentially, MEANS someone who shares the privileges (once substantial) of being white”</p>
<p>That privilege, however, does not include going to college, and never has. You had to have money AND be white to go to college.</p>
<p>This is completely untrue. And that blasted book you recommended is nothing but an excellent example of how being forced to share power can feel a lot like being victimized, but, of course, it is not.</p>
<p>Signed, The mother of a boy who graduated high school with honors</p>
<p>As the for the scholarship…sometimes it’s difficult to live in Texas.</p>
<p>“And I’m from the north. The north, the west, the south west and the midwest are all full of poor rural dwellers. The whitest states are actually in the Pacific Northwest. Oregon is one of the whitest states and it has a fairly high poverty rate. The suggestion that most poor whites are descended from Confederate Veterans is ridiculous. Most poor whites are in the mid-west, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, that type of thing.”</p>
<p>A very large portion of poor whites in those areas are of german (in the lower midwest) scandinavian (in Minnesota) and even irish (in montana) descent. If you look at census data where people put down “american” for national ancestry, rather than a specific foreign country, you will see its quite heavily concentrade in the southern and border states. Anyway, I was only giving an example. You could probably come up with one for other areas that would suit.</p>
<p>"Plus, how do you prove your ancestor fought for the Confederacy? We’re talking poor people, paperless people, people who have English last names, dad was on disability their whole life never sent a check, mama worked as a waitress, doesn’t know her grandmother’s maiden name, grandpa died when she was a baby. That type of thing. You think these boys know the name of their relative in the Confederate Army? If they do, I’ll bet you the chances that they are really poor is pretty low. "</p>
<p>There are all kinds of records - even old census records become available, birth certificates, etc. I believe the mormon church will help with this sort of things, also many amateur geneologists. yes its work, so are most scholarship apps.</p>
I would disagree with this. My grandmother grew up in Appalachia, and was relatively poor all her life. She didn’t have indoor plumbing or electricity until she was 47 and had 8 children. She knew that she was DAR, and was very involved with them later in life. </p>
<p>Records regarding her side of the family are available online nowadays and date back at least to 1770 in America. Ancestors on the other side date back in America to the 1640’s. There are public records of these things. And it is certainly easier to find them than it was back in 1945.</p>
<p>“I don’t find the argument, “Jews don’t have a scholarship so whites shouldn’t either” compelling. Make your own scholarship.”</p>
<p>which is fine, as that is not argument. I saw the argument made “well every other group has scholarships, religiously unaffilated whites should too” </p>
<p>I am denying that the premise is true in any meaningful way. whatever few scholarships there are for Jews (and I imagine for episcopalians, italians, etc) are not a meaningful factor in financial planning for college for any of those groups. The item in the OP is NOT an attempt to rectify the problems of poor whites (in fact need based aid is almost certainly the best way to address the problems of poor folk in general). Its part of a sustained campaign in this country to imply that whites are victimized. Look at the name of the group for crying out loud “former majority”</p>