Texas vs Texas A&M

<p>Yes, the best undergrad B-school in the country SHOULD be Wharton. Thank you for pointing out one of many, many reasons why Business Week rankings are terribly, terribly flawed.</p>

<p>I like how the only thing you can say against anything I’ve spelled out is that I haven’t linked the source (as if you have multiple sources or even worthwhile sources to begin with!)</p>

<p>Since you seem to be very new to using internet resources or you would be able to find something like this on your own as you should have before making these laughable claims, here’s a list of links to rankings where UT’s business program does well and Emory’s isn’t even close. I don’t know what’s wrong with you that you can’t find these on the website that you’ve actually cited yourself, but I guess you’re lucky common sense isn’t part of the admissions process.</p>

<p>Please, everyone notice how all of these rankings are actually based on the views of people in the field, unlike Business Week and that UT does well in every single category and overall ranking while Emory doesn’t even make the top 10 in a single one:</p>

<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Business Programs - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-business)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Accounting - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-accounting]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-accounting)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Finance - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-finance]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-finance)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Entrepreneurship - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-entrepreneur]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-entrepreneur)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Insurance - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-insurance-risk]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-insurance-risk)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: International Business - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-international-business]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-international-business)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Management - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-management]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-management)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Management Information Systems - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-mis]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-mis)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Management Information Systems - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-mis]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-mis)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Production / Operations Management - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-production-ops]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-production-ops)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Quantitative Analysis - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-qa]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-qa)
[Undergraduate</a> business specialties: Real Estate - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-real-estate]Undergraduate”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/spec-real-estate)</p>

<p>Where’s Emory? Oh, I don’t know. Maybe it’s simply not a top 10 business school in legitimate rankings! Ding ding ding!</p>

<p>If you are seriously convinced that quality of faculty/academic departments have absolutely no bearing on undergrad, then that’s your prerogative. They don’t do undergrad department rankings beyond professional programs like engineering and business (unless you count Gourman, which never published a methodology). But your argument that grad has no bearing on undergrad quality is only true in a world where there are COMPLETELY different sets of faculty teaching undergrad and grad students, with totally separate resources. In this case, I guess the quality of faculty wouldn’t matter since the high average SAT students you mention would be sitting around teaching other! Why not, since the accomplishments of the faculty certainly doesn’t matter! Of course, this is ridiculous because it never happens. Why even pay to go to a school in that case? All the smart students could just get together with textbooks to teach other and save $$$. LOL </p>

<p>Unfortunately for your argument, international academic prestige has little to do with undergrad student SAT averages. It has to do with quality of faculty and research - in both the sciences and humanities. Mentioning Princeton was a poor example too, since unlike Rice and Emory, Princeton DOES have faculty and programs that are on par or stronger than UT across the board. </p>

<p>BTW - calling Emory a LAC when it has a medical school and other professional grad programs is laughable.</p>

<p>Since it’s pretty clear the idea that quality of faculty and ranked academic programs (which are only measured at the grad level) doesn’t matter for undergrad is ludicrous, here’s a ranking of Emory vs. UT in terms of academic and professional programs, using both the NRC rankings from the mid 90s and more recent USNWR academic rankings: (Well, it’s for UT, at least, since Emory didn’t make the top 20 in any of the lists.)</p>

<p>average score for academic programs based on peer reputation rankings: </p>

<ol>
<li>Berkeley - 4.8</li>
<li>Stanford - 4.8</li>
<li>MIT - 4.8 </li>
<li>Princeton - 4.6</li>
<li>Harvard - 4.6 </li>
<li>Yale - 4.4</li>
<li>Michigan - 4.4</li>
<li>Wisconsin - 4.3</li>
<li>Chicago - 4.3 </li>
<li>Cornell - 4.3</li>
<li>Columbia - 4.3 </li>
<li>UCLA - 4.2 </li>
<li>UT-Austin - 4.0</li>
</ol>

<p>professional schools by mean rank:

  1. Stanford - 1.8
  2. Berkeley - 5.0
  3. Michigan - 6.4
  4. Harvard - 7.0
  5. Northwestern - 12.3
  6. Columbia - 12.6
  7. Duke - 13.0
  8. UT-Austin - 13.2
  9. NYU - 14.5
  10. UCLA - 14.6
  11. Wisconsin - 15.2
  12. Virginia - 16.5
  13. Illinois - 16.5
  14. Indiana - 17.3
  15. Pennsylvania - 18.6</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.grad.berkeley.edu/publications/pdf/usnews_rankings_2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.grad.berkeley.edu/publications/pdf/usnews_rankings_2008.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Per the National Research Council</p>

<p>Average of nonzero scores across all ranked disciplines:
1 MIT
2 Berkeley
3 Harvard
4 Princeton
5 Caltech
6 Stanford
7 Chicago
8 Yale
9 Cornell
10 UCSD
11 Columbia
12 Michigan
13 UCLA
14 Penn
15 Wisconsin
16 UT-Austin
17 Illinois
17 Washington
19 Northwestern
20 Duke</p>

<p>Average of all 41 scores
1 Stanford
2 Berkeley
3 Michigan
4 Cornell
5 Wisconsin
6 UCLA
7 UT-Austin
8 Columbia
9 Illiois
9 Penn
9 Washington
12 Harvard
13 Minnesota
14 Princeton
15 Chicago
16 Yale
17 Ohio State
18 Duke
18 Johns Hopkins
20 Penn State </p>

<p>[NRC</a> Rankings](<a href=“http://www.stat.tamu.edu/~jnewton/nrc_rankings/nrc1.html]NRC”>NRC Rankings)</p>

<p>^ Those are just 2 quick summaries. And NO, those aren’t the only ones by any means. I don’t need to do your research for you.</p>

<p>I think you guys should just quit LOL, both schools are great, you can succeed from either so you guys should stop but if EMORY kids have better scores then they are smarter</p>

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<p>^^^ Exactly Emory kids are smarter, so screw this forum, (I have to go study, because I am taking TOUGH classes at a TOUGH school) and I am going to go post under CC’s Top UNIVERSITIES FORUM, which btw, inculdes EMORY, RICE, VANDERBILT, and DUKE. ( The best schools in the South)</p>

<p>yea scores dont lie, case closed.</p>

<p>No one was arguing who had the better test scores. The argument was which school had higher ranked departments. Winner: UT. Yes, the case is closed.</p>

<p>NO the arguement is not closed, JWT86, is your second survey ALL THE WAY FROM THE 1990s? Your survey would be too old to be of any use then.</p>

<p>AND JWT86, YOUR FIRST SURVEY IS FOR GRADUATE PROGRAMS-PhD PROGRAMS, WHICH I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE THIS IS AN UNDERGRADUATE FORUM.----THIS IS AN UNDERGRADUATE FORUM, PLEASE DO NOT POST DATA FOR PhD PROGRAMS</p>

<p>So in order to support his baseless claims, JWT86 decided to pull a survey from the 1990s (the second survey):

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<p>^^^ Clearly too old</p>

<p>and he used his first survey that talked about grad schools, I clearly said NUMEROUS TIMES that we were discussing UNDERGRADUATE PROGRAMS BECUASE THIS IS AN UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOL FORUM.</p>

<p>To get back to the OP’s question: Texas A&M and UT are both good schools. Don’t worry about rankings - rankings are overrated!</p>

<p>With respect to Computer Science, both have well respected programs. I know people who went to work after getting their BS at one or the other and all of them are doing great. I know people who got their undergrads at one and then their graduate degrees at the other. They’re doing great too.</p>

<p>I got my BS in Electrical Engineering from Texas A&M and I’m doing great. My good friend who got the same degree from Texas is now a physician and He’s doing great.</p>

<p>If you go to either school you’re likely to have many friends at the other (I did) and will get to experience some of the social life at both schools.</p>

<p>Visit both schools and see which one you feel the best fit and go there. Don’t even consider rankings and all that other crap.</p>