Thanks in advance - please chance me

<p>I am from NJ and I visited BC last November over Thanksgiving and loved it. It is one of my top 3 schools. I am applying Early Action. My Dad received his MBA from BC. What do you think my chances are? Thank you in advance for taking the time to post. Also I love the Boston area so if you have any other recommendations for schools in this area I would be interested in that as well. I plan on studying Business.</p>

<p>male chinese/caucasian
4th in class of 225 GPA - 4.5
NHS Vice President
4 year Varsity soccer and Captain Senior year … received Sportsmanship Award Sophomore year.
will be 4 year Lacrosse player
Rec swimming (summers) 8 years
Key Club - 4 years
Varsity Club 3 years - Vice President Senior year
Academic Team - 3 years
FBLA - 4 years
Peer Counselor
numerous hours community service - JDRF volunteer chairperson, Pink Tie Ball, Blood Donor
Life guard - 3 summers full time
SAT - 2200 CR - 710, Math - 710, Writing - 780
Subject Literature - 720
Subject Math Level 2- 640
Subject US History - 680
attended Boys State</p>

<p>Thank you
Let me know if I forgot anything that would help.</p>

<p>going to look at colleges this weekend… Brown and Yale (I know long shot). What do you guys think about BC?
Thanks</p>

<p>Dear buffalowing24 : One possible reason for the lack of responses to date is that your resume is strong on the numbers. Your SAT performance (three way 700+), class rank, GPA, sports engagement, clubs, leadership roles, community service, and other parameters all seem to be in order.</p>

<p>Let’s offer some additional thoughts : you already know that Yale and Brown tend to be “crap shoots” on acceptances. Tremendously qualified applicants apply to both - many are rejected and wind up at the “New Ivies” and such. This is why you are seeing the Top 50 schools in the country improving their SAT baselines and expectations for incoming candidates. </p>

<p>Regarding Yale, the total undergraduate class is about 5200 making about 1300 slots available in each class. From those 250 are targeted at athletics and so-called “likely letters”. Another 250 are targeted at international students and such. Further, another 200 positions or so are targeted at legacy applications that might be slightly softer than others. We have just accounted for 700 positions. Many of those come through early decision/action, some do not. So, a regular decision candidate is probably looking at winning one of the 500 spots available. (Someday, we will explain here on the message board how we know these figures in such detail.)</p>

<p>As for Brown, the competition is slightly easier, but the curriculum at Brown is very different from Yale. Brown is more of a create your own degree culture which might or might not appeal to you. In contrast, Boston College with its extremely well defined core courses, is perhaps on the opposite extreme of Brown from that perspective. So, comparing Yale, Brown, and BC, you will find three very different (but each valuable in its own way) experiences for your college years.</p>

<p>My top 3 choices in no particular order are BC, Cornell and UPenn. I am looking at Brown/Yale as a comparison (geographically it makes for a weekend trip). I have visited the first 3 and I think I would be happy at any. Your point about Brown is well taken. I think I would like a more defined curriculum and you are not the first person to point this out. My concern is that I have heard BC has become very competitive. Thank you for at least letting me know my numbers look strong. I am taking a very competitive senior year schedule as well. Unfortunately due to scheduling constraints I cannot take a fourth year of a language. I plan on having my guidance counselor write that in my letter that I had planned on taking AP Spanish. I just know there are no guarantees for BC and I am a little nervous. I think my essays will be strong. My real problem is finding some safeties/mid I would be happy at (UVA but my Mom doesn’t want me going that far). I love Boston (my Mom’s family is from NH) so I will visit Brandeis and Bentley when we go up in November. I would have preferred a larger school however. I do appreciate you taking the time. If you have any thoughts to increase my chances at BC I would be happy to hear about them. My cousin also went to BC and feels that it would be a great fit for me. Thank you again.</p>

<p>Dear buffalowings24 : Your selection of schools is identical to my oldest child’s who is attending Boston College. Let me offer some ideas for you on safety schools and expected admission schools to help : Lehigh, Lafayette, Vermont, Providence, and Holy Cross. On the safety side, there were one or two colleges nearby home (always have one of those just in case you are not able to be “away” for some reason) and you should always have one state school ready (again, just in case money becomes an issue). Although not safety schools, if you were interested in a liberal arts colleges, Williams and Amherst would potentially also welcome your profile although these are schools of 2000 students in total (on average).</p>

<p>You are on-target that BC has certainly increased on the competitive admissions ladder over the last five to ten years correlating with the focus on “New Ivies”, US News Top 50 Reports, and decreasing spots available in the Ivy admission classes on the east coast.</p>

<p>Good luck.</p>

<p>Hi This is buffalowings mom. You have been so helpful I was hoping you could help us again. I have been reading through these boards with my son. I am now reading that BC EA is harder than RD. We were going to apply EA but now I am not sure. Since it was restrictive he was not going to apply ED anywhere else . I called BC today since he is always at school or soccer till after hours. They did confirm that they are more selective for EA. She gave me figures like 30% admitted, 55% deferred and 15 % declined. Now of the 55% deferred I do not know how many were eventually admitted. She did say the median 50 % SAT was 2100.
So here is our dilemma. Should he apply ED for UPENN which actually increases his chances for admission even though it is still a long shot. This way he would be RD for BC which offers waiting for an answer but eliminating his disappointment if he is deferred. He will still get his application in early but as a RD applicant. He will apply EA to 3 other schools (Villanova, Bentley and Brandeis), rolling for Rutgers, UVA and RD for Cornell.</p>

<p>I don’t mean to put you on the spot. I am only asking your opinion if you don’t mind. As he said in his previous post he would be happy at UPenn, BC or Cornell. I know their are no guarantees but it almost seems detrimental to apply EA to BC. The benefits that I can see is finding out early and scholarships.<br>
Well my son would not be happy with my post because as you can see I ramble but I am feeling a little overwhelmed. He has soccer all weekend with counties so I told him to put his thoughts on hold till Monday and I would research this a little more. So thanks Scottj or anyone else that would like to chime in.
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<p>Dear “Mom of buffalowings24” : Let me start by offering hard facts and then sharing our personal journey to Boston College.</p>

<p>Yes, it is statistically true that the early application pool at Boston College tends to be tougher than the regular decision pool. There are many reasons for this, some speculative and some bolstered by the facts. Boston College is certainly tougher on applications in the early rounds allowing the university to maintain the highest possible quality level of the full class. By locking in some very top academic candidates early, BC is effectively improving the overall class profile upwards and thereby improving academic quality and university statistics. Next, this is the pool from which the University’s Presidential Scholars are drawn. Now, it is thought by some that the Presidential Scholars are the best students from BC’s applicant pool overall and this is a mistake. Typically, many strong applicants who were waitlisted or rejected from an Ivy League of their choice will register with BC following the regular decision round and wind up increasing the class quality substantially.</p>

<p>In the BC Fact Book, there is an interesting statistic covering the twelve colleges and universities which have the greatest overlap with BC’s applications. These include in no particular order : Brown, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Penn, Georgetown, Notre Dame, NYU, Boston University and Villanova. </p>

<p>The point here is that many BC applicants need to make the same decision regarding an early application that your son is facing.</p>

<p>In both cases, our children pursued an early application to an Ivy League and regular decision at Boston College. Our family made our early decision choices based on many factors. The most important parameter was academics and the second was prestige within the alumni network. We underestimated Boston College on both of these parameters and if we were to have the decision back, BC might well have been the early application in both cases. In both cases however, we pursued what we believed was their top choice with early decision. We did not use early decision as a vehicle to “game” the system by applying to a second, third, or fourth choice school as a safety.</p>

<p>At the end of the day, early decision/action should be reserved (in my personal view) for the one school that you absolutely will attend for sure if their admissions reviewers say “yes”. It is your top school, favorite match, number one choice. </p>

<p>Now, again turning back to our experience, Boston College was my younger student’s first choice as far back as fourteen years of age (ACT 34), but she applied early to Yale for a variety of reasons including her thinking that after my older one’s acceptance, she would be regular decision safe (what a gamble that was). My older student (ACT 33, SAT 2290) ranked Yale and Penn above Boston College and Williams. The early application went to Yale, the waitlist followed, and the decision came down to Cornell, Georgetown, Williams, and Boston College - and the final decision was BC.</p>

<p>So, in closing “Mom of buffalowings24”, our advice is simple. Sit down and honestly decide which school is your family’s number one choice - that should drive your early application decision making. Do not try to guess what the reviewer might think, statistically guess where you might rank against 20,000-30,000 other total applicants, or play the “what if” game. None of those activities results in a satisfying experience. Listen to your hearts as to which school was really the one that resonated with your son. Whether Penn, BC, or Cornell, there was hopefully one of these fine schools that took your breath away just a little bit more than the others. In the end, it is a great list and hopefully, our story helped you in your own decision making.</p>

<p>A very heartfelt good luck to you all.</p>

<p>You make so much sense and you say it so eloquently. I am off to watch a soccer game on a damp, rainy day in NJ. I think our family needs to sit down and just as you say think about which college he really believes is his number one choice. Throw out the numbers and statistics and go with the heart. Good advice. Thanks again and enjoy your weekend…</p>

<p>BuffaloWings Mom (don’t ask - a 4th grade teacher nicknamed him that and it has stuck)</p>

<p>Just in case you were wondering:
Early Action BC</p>

<p>BuffaloWing’s Mom</p>

<p>Dear “Buffalo Wings Family” : What an exciting time and decision for you all - hopefully, our advice provided some guidance on your journey. Good luck, make sure that your application is complete by tracking your application through the Agora portal over time, and we hope that the result is everything you wish. </p>

<p>In the mean time, please do not let buffalowings24 let down his guard. Now is the time to identify those secondary and tertiary schools that also require applications should the BC application be deferred for any reason.</p>