<p>^ Ok…even if they swap, Haas will still be in the Top 10.</p>
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<p>True, but just barely. </p>
<p>For instance, FT’s latest global MBA ranking has Haas ranked no. 31 (3 year ranking no. 29) –> compare that to Columbia which is ranked no. 4 (3 year ranking is no. 3). Forbes also ranks Haas outside the Top 10 (at no. 13) vs. Columbia which is ranked no. 6. </p>
<p>Now I know that this isn’t Columbia vs. Haas – but I’m trying to make a point. Outside of H/W/S, there are certain schools which are considered “elite” programs, such as Columbia (or MIT or Chicago, etc.) – which get recognized as a top programs across rankings (and more importantly in the “real world”).</p>
<p>Contrast that vs. Haas where the variance is too significant for it to be truly considered a solid Top 10 school. Look, I know I keep busting Haas’ balls – its a decent b-school. It’s just not an “elite” one. An “elite” b-school doesn’t get ranked no. 31.</p>
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<p>Tuck is not superior to Haas. Maybe it is slightly well-positioned in the finance industry, but MBA is not just about getting into the finance sector. But even in the finance industry, Berkeley can hold on its own. Overall, Berkeley-Haas brand name is better than Dartmouth-Tuck brand name, albeit only very slightly. </p>
<p>NYU is also not superior to Berkeley-Haas. It is not more prestigious than Berkeley-Haas. Again, maybe in terms of placement to WS, NYC, it has a slightly better record than Haas has, but when it comes to a combination of brand name prestige, quality of program, quality of students, faculty, facilities, output and employment prospect, Berkeley-Haas is superior to NYU.</p>
<p>The top 3 are:
Harvard
Wharton, Stanford </p>
<p>In that order.</p>
<p>Northwestern-Kellogg - 4th
Chicago - 5th. </p>
<p>However, outside of the these schools, no other business school can lay a claim to be a solid top 5 program. All the rest of the schools fluctuate in ranking and in many areas. For example, MIT is excellent for entre and start ups. But it’s not really a solid business school for general management, marketing, etc. MIT-Sloan’s brand name is also not quite solid in the business world, the way those top 5 have successfully developed. Somehow, when one is to think of MIT, one would think of engineering or technology, certainly not management or business. It also operates and runs under the shadow of HBS, which is located a stone’s throw away, in general management and in terms of placement into the Finance industry. It’s low number of applicants supports my theory. But despite that, I would rank it number 6. Of course, some would rank it number 4. But I’m sure many would rank it number 6 (just like I did) or even number 7 or 8, depending on who’s doing the ranking. </p>
<p>In short, the ranking would be:</p>
<p>Harvard
Wharton / Stanford
Northwestern-Kellogg
Chicago
MIT-Sloan</p>
<p>The 7th spot is a hotly contested spot. And four business schools vie for that position, amongst them are Columbia, Berkeley-Haas, Dartmouth-Tuck and Michigan-Ross.</p>
<p>Now, anyone can choose which school would is number 7 and so on. But these schools are the top 10 graduate business schools at the moment. Yale isn’t top 10 yet. Maybe it will be in the long run. But at the moment, that’s very hard to believe.</p>
<p>Berkeley-Haas vs Yale-SOM</p>
<p>Between Berkeley-Haas and Yale SOM, Berkeley has the got the edge now. And, it’s not right to give predictions of what will happen 10 years from now because all the remaining schools are improving. Berkeley-Haas is vastly improving. The dean just doesn’t stop to improve the school and make it one of the best in the world. In fact, its expanding its presence internationally.</p>
<p>*Faculty also agreed to expand the school’s international focus by doubling the size of the school’s International Business Development Program, which send students around the world to help solve business problems for both private and nonprofit clients, over the next two years. * [Haas</a> School of Business](<a href=“http://www2.haas.berkeley.edu/News/Newsroom/090511curriculum.aspx]Haas”>Faculty Unanimously Approve Curriculum Changes | Haas News | Berkeley Haas)</p>
<p>In short, if Yale-SOM is claiming that it’s improving, how sure is it that it would surpass Berkeley-Haas who’s also vastly improving. In fact, Haas alumni are more involved now than ever. About 30% of Haas alumni are now involved in many of Haas alumni activities in one way or the other. 14% have given back financial support to the business school. That is a staggering percentage in terms of alumni giving. [Haas</a> Giving, University of California Berkeley, Haas School of Business](<a href=“Berkeley Haas Alumni - Berkeley Haas”>Berkeley Haas Alumni - Berkeley Haas) / <a href=“Berkeley Haas Alumni - Berkeley Haas”>Berkeley Haas Alumni - Berkeley Haas;
<p>Aside from that, Berkeley-Haas grads are still highly sought-after. In fact, the Wall Street Journal recently ranked Haas as the #2 business school in the nation, based on a survey
of corporate recruiters. And despite the financial turmoil that has severely affected the employment prospects of many top-flight business schools including HWS, Berkeley-Haas was barely untouched. [Haas</a> School of Business](<a href=“http://www2.haas.berkeley.edu/News/Newsroom/090511jobs.aspx]Haas”>Class of 09 Rises to Job Search Challenge | Haas News | Berkeley Haas)</p>
<p>To recapitulate, here’s my final ranking:
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Harvard
Wharton / Stanford
Kellogg
Chicago
MIT-Sloan / Columbia
Berkeley-Haas / Dartmouth-Tuck
Michigan-Ross**</p>
<p>Again, these are the real top 10 graduate business schools in the US right now.</p>
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<p>My theory is that some schools have vastly improved. For example, Berkeley-Haas wasn’t in the top 10 about 10 or 15 years ago. But look at where it is now. It has broken in the top 10. It’s not due to the deterioration of the quality of some schools. Berkeley-Haas’ success was due largely on its vast improvements.</p>
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<p>If you sincerely mean this, then you believe that Berkeley-Haas is a solid top 10, because as you can see, Columbia was ranked number 9.</p>
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<p>see post #302</p>
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It was the same ranking that ranked Warwick and Manchester higher than Berkeley. It was the same ranking that ranked LBS higher than Harvard. How can you believe that?</p>
<p>Wharton ranked no. 1
Harvard ranked no. 3.
Haas ranked no. 31.</p>
<p>Yeah, seems fairly reasonable.</p>
<p>But Wharton is not superior to HBS. It is just as good at Stanford, at best.
LBS is not superior to HBS. I cannot beleive one would rather be a t LBS than at HBS, given time, ability and money.</p>
<p>Haas is also not number 31. It is better than most of the schools that were ranked higher than it. It certainly is way, way better than Warwick, let alone Manchester. If you believe such ranking is credible, then I now understand the behavior and opinions you’ve displayed on this thread.</p>
<p>There are people who choose Wharton over HBS, Wharton over Stanford, Stanford over HBS, Stanford over Wharton.</p>
<p>Besides, why are you nitpicking the incredibly tiny difference between a school ranked no. 1 and no. 3? There is no substantial difference to be had there.</p>
<p>What about the HUGE - HUMONGOUS gap between a school ranked no. 3 and no. 31? There is a MASSIVE difference between no. 3 and no. 31.</p>
<p>Why not try analyzing that? Weak head fake, no one is falling for it.</p>
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<p>Oh. That was a head fake? I thought RML just tripped and was, clumsily, falling on his face. Head fake attempt, then…? Nice. That’s a first.</p>
<p>I thought Wildflower just tripped and was, clumsily, falling on his face. Head fake attempt, then…? Nice. That’s a first.</p>
<p>the_prestige, </p>
<p>You’re forcing me to rely on a ranking table that is utterly flawed. Sorry; but I can’t do that. It’s unreliable. If that table suggests even a minor fact of reliability, I would entertain that. But I’ve look at the table and everything is just wrong. </p>
<p>Here’s the more glaring ones:</p>
<p>London Business School isn’t number 1 in the world. It isn’t superior to Harvard Business School.</p>
<p>Columbia and INSEAD are not superior to Stanford Business school.</p>
<p>CEIBS is not superior to MIT-Sloan or even Berkeley-Haas.</p>
<p>NYU-Stern is not superior than Chicago-Booth</p>
<p>Hong Kong UST, Duke-Fuqua, Nanyang, Emory-Goizueta, Rotterdam School of Management, Lancaster, UVa-Darden, UCLA-Anderson, to name a few, are not superior to Berkeley-Haas.</p>
<p>Yale-SOM, Esade, lese Business School, to name a few aren’t superior to Northwestern-Kellogg.</p>
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<p>But we’re not talking about personal preference or yield rates here, are we? </p>
<p>I’m pretty sure there are way more people who would choose HBS than WBS or SBS. HBS yield rate is something like 90%. I don’t think WBS and SBS have as high enrollment yield rates.</p>
<p>Haas is ranked no. 31.</p>
<p>Go cry me a river fan boy.</p>
<p>^ LoL…</p>
<p>Like I said, that fully explains why you’re acting that way.</p>
<p>To the level-headed readers and posters of this thread, here are some facts for Yale-SOM and Berkeley-Haas.</p>
<p>Berkeley-Haas
Total number of applicants: 3,779
Admissions Rate: 12 %
Enrollment Yield Rate: 54 %</p>
<p>Applicant Pool
Mean base salary forgone: $70,856
Median base salary forgone: $72,000</p>
<p>Middle 80% range GMAT scores:
From: 670
To: 760</p>
<p>Median base salary for most recent graduates: $ 110,000
Median signing bonus for most recent graduates: $ 20,000
Mean other guaranteed compensation for most recent graduates: $ 29,662
Median other guaranteed compensation for most recent graduates: $ 18,000 </p>
<p>Yale-SOM
Total number of applicants: 3,051
Admissions Rate: 14 %
Enrollment Yield Rate: 44 %</p>
<p>Applicant Pool
Mean base salary forgone: $60,000</p>
<p>Middle 80% range GMAT scores:
From: 670
To: 760</p>
<p>Median base salary for most recent graduates: $ 95,000
Median signing bonus for most recent graduates: $ 20,000
Mean other guaranteed compensation for most recent graduates: $ 23,204
Median other guaranteed compensation for most recent graduates: $ 19,000 </p>
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So, clearly, Berkeley-Haas is more prestigious than and superior to Yale-SOM. Berkeley-Haas has more applicants. Not only that. Berkeley-Haas’ applicant pool is superior to Yale-SOM’s. Berkeley-Haas has lower acceptance rate and much higher enrollment yield. These on top of Berkeley-Haas having the edge in salaries of graduates.**</p>
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<p>As long as I’ve been aware of MBA schools, Tuck was always considered a better school than UVA and Darden was founded much more recently (1954, I think); so it seems unlikely that at one point it was considered better than Tuck but now it’s not. I’ve gotten the impression that Duke has fallen somewhat this decade as well.</p>
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<p>In my experience, at least, on the east coast, this is not true at all. I attended one of what people have agreed is a top 10 b-school and had never heard the name “Haas” before coming to this forum. From my BB IB analyst class, even the ones not looking to remain in finance, people were not applying to Berkeley-Haas in the same numbers as the top eight schools or at the time even UMichigan, UVA, Duke.</p>
<p>Number of applications, acceptance rates and yield rates are misleading for Berkeley because it’s a public school. The one person I know who went there was rejected from UVA and Kellogg despite the fact the latter two both have higher acceptance rates.</p>
<p>I’ve never actually met a Haas grad, but if they are anything like RML, I’d rather keep it that way.</p>
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<p>Not that I don’t believe you or what you said, but let’s just say that that was just your personal encounter. The facts however would tell that Berkeley Haas is slightly a superior school to Tuck. And, unlike you, I have not heard of Dartmouth up until I was applying to US schools. I have only heard of Tuck only about a couple of years ago when getting an MBA crossed my mind. Let’s compare the stats between Berkeley-Haas and Dartmouth-Tuck.</p>
<p>Total number of applicants:
Haas - 3,779
Tuck -2,898</p>
<p>Admissions Rate:
Haas - 12%
Tuck - 15%</p>
<p>Enrollment Yield Rate:
Haas - 54 %
Tuck - 54%</p>
<p>Applicant Pool
Mean base salary forgone:
Haas - $70,856
Tuck - $60,000</p>
<p>Median base salary forgone:
Haas - $72,000
Tuck - $62,000</p>
<p>Middle 80% range GMAT scores:
Haas
From: 670 - To: 760
Tuck
From: 650 - To: 760</p>
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<p>Again, that probably explains your ghastly behavior on CC. You have not been to “high places” and haven’t met “high-profile” people. Whose lost is that then? It certainly isn’t mine. ahihihi!!!</p>
<p>Seriously, the_prestige, you’re an MBA grad. Act like one!</p>