<p>Another Friday has come and gone and no decision yet :(</p>
<p>same here. Some kid in my class was rejected yesterday (received a letter in the mail) after being deferred, so, perhaps, that means decisions are gonna start coming out quick now?</p>
<p>CCRunner, where do you live?</p>
<p>I didn't get anything yet.
But how can they say that they'll give out the decision by the first week of April on the phone and just no give it.
I don't get it.</p>
<p>I've never heard about the first week of april, it said on the paper mid april, we'll hear next week or the week after that :)</p>
<p>If you're still waiting on your initial decision, and it's not on wolverineaccess, then it's a deferral that's just taking a while to get to your household. Or a rejection. They have posted Waitlist decisions online, as well as acceptances, but not deferrals or rejections.</p>
<p>hey A2Wolves! are you sure about that? :s How do you know?
I hope you are wrong (not personal lol)..</p>
<p>Remember that schools and colleges make decisions separately from one another. </p>
<p>Also, as I understand it, the waitlist offers spoken about by a student here? Those went to Internationals only.</p>
<p>Yep, International (Canadian) and was waitlisted</p>
<p>So, am I correct in saying that admissions is more competitive for Internationals?</p>
<p>Hmm. Can't say without looking at the numbers. Probably, though. Definitely for Engineering. The reason they might make waitlist decisions with internationals and not others is that they manage that population differently.</p>
<p>International, i think, are a bit more competitive, they definately dont get any aid..</p>
<p>post your decision and abusive thoughts on michigan! lol</p>
<p>The abuse by the University of Michigan has ended! I have been waitlisted....finally!!! They could have told me that months ago <doh></doh></p>
<p>MiightyNick, would you mind posting stats? I think it would serve as a helpful benchmark for what the university considers a strong application, but maybe just not strong enough. Many people could use it as a reference for their own apps. Also, your IS/OOS status. thanks.</p>
<p>No i don't mind.</p>
<p>I applied to LSA and i'm an OOS and International.
SAT: 2000 (710M 600V 690W), 3.9W GPA, 200 hours of voluntary work and some other EC's (no leadership positions though).</p>
<p>While i know my stats aren't great (and according to some i might be way underqualified...tut tut NYAO), i still thought that I had a decent chance. I even sent another teacher recommendation after being deferred and i notified them that Michigan's my first choice university and i'll definately come if accepted. </p>
<p>Anyway, at least the bloody wait is over. :)</p>
<p>Now i have to decide between Rutgers, Penn State and UMD. I could have applied to some other schools such as Wisconsin, Indiana and Illinois but those universities are too far from NJ and i think Penn State (Business) is as good as those schools.</p>
<p>I think a lot of people don't understand how admissions offices operate.</p>
<p>Frankly, if you're a truly strong candidate, I don't see how they could have told you this earlier. If you think there was a chance you might be admitted, then they probably thought you had a chance, too. It wasn't until after all apps were in and evaluated, and they got an idea of yield from early admits, that they knew how many to admit.</p>
<p>Also, it would be very unusual for Michigan to make a waitlist offer in February or January or whenever you're proposing that could have happened. Perhaps other U.S. schools make waitlist offers that early--I'd be curious to know which ones.</p>
<p>I completely get the irritation students feel when they (a) get bad news and (b) get it after a long wait. However, I've seen a considerable number of claims here about the admissions process that are untrue--some of them need clarification, IMHO.</p>
<p>This thread deserves to be bumped</p>
<p>It does deserve to be bumped. There is a lot of misunderstanding of the admissions process, at least by a few people. I suspect people's irritation is getting in the way.</p>
<p>I have explained before in CC forums that evaluations and decisions are often separate. Colleges have two decisions to make. First: do we WANT to admit this candidate? Then: do we have ROOM to admit this candidate? The answers may be different. More importantly, they may not be made at the same time.</p>
<p>It's the inherent problem with selective admissions--some strong candidates are going to be turned away despite their quality and potential ability to succeed on campus.</p>
<p>Every complete app is evaluated--and carefully, by three readers. Readers decide how good a candidate is. Then a separate process is used to determine how many of those good students can actually be offered an admit letter. Sometimes the latter decision can't be made until weeks after the readers evaluate the app, usually because something is in flux and the University cannot ascertain what the right number of final admits will be. Maybe a flood of deposits came in, suggesting that yield is going through the roof. Or maybe the SAT people called to say "oops, a bunch of people had different scores." </p>
<p>Other schools have the same issues. However, some of Michigan's selective peers don't do rolling admissions so expectations are different. People EXPECT to wait four months to hear from the UC schools, for example. Also, some schools don't use a "defer" letter when there is a delay between evaluation and decision. Michigan sometimes does (maybe to their detriment). </p>
<p>There are always enhancements to be made to the process; I am certain Michigan wants to do right by its applicants. Perhaps some aspects of the process can be altered so future classes will have clearer expectations or (even better!) earlier decisions.</p>
<p>I was an admissions counselor at Michigan for two years. The rolling admissions process is designed to give highly qualified students a quick response. If a student is not qualified, they are rejected. If a student is qualified, but not highly qualified, they are deferred until more information about the incomming class is recieved. </p>
<p>The admit criteria changes throughout the year, so students may be deferred one week and admitted two weeks later depending on the numbers.</p>
<p>Each application is reviewed at least twice, which takes about 15 minutes per application, per read. Most recieve three reads and some then go to various committees. When a school recieves at least 20,000 applications a year, that is a lot of reading. </p>
<p>Its not a perfect system, because there are no perfect admissions systems. Michigan probably has the most extensive review process of any university in the nation. The rolling admissions process has worked well in the past by giving highly qualified students a quick decision and is more equitable than the process used by most peer instititions due to the lack of an ED or SCEA option.</p>