<p>If there is an "extensive review process"....then why have amazingly quailfied students been waitlisted? I can make a whole list of those applicants right now, but i'm not bothered. I think if you read some of the posts on here you might be able to figure it out. If the applications had been reviewed more than once, people with amazing SAT scores and GPA's would have been accepted. The reality is that the applications of those people who were deferred weren't read the second time. Instead, they were put on one side and ignored. If that wasn't the case, I'm sure I (along with many others) would have been admitted. I've seen people with lesser stats than myself be accepted and people with higher stats than myself be waitlisted. </p>
<p>I applied to LSA in mid-October and got deferred at the end of January. The deferral letter specifically told me to send my mid-year grades and other information that would help you re-evaluate my application. I sent another teacher recommendation and a letter stating that Michigan is my first choice university and i'll definately be going if accepted. It's not as if I applied later in the year that got me wait-listed. </p>
<p>What annoys me is that we spend so much time on our applications, writing our essay's, asking teachers for recommendations and writing letters, telling the university that we really want to get in (I know that just by telling you that I really want to get in won't gain me any sympathy, but it isn't as if i'm an underqualified student and i'm asking for mercy), and yet we have to wait so long for a decision, which eventually ended up being a wait-list. I'm pretty sure that the University had decided that it was going to waitlist me (i'm still shocked why) way before April 13th....but why did it wait so long to inform that to me? All other colleges responded by March 31st (big state colleges like UMich itself who also receive a huge amount of apps) but UMich had to delay its decision for some reason.</p>
<p>Yes i'm bitter and i'm sure those who got wait-listed are as well. I just think that the admissions process is way too random and unfair to some students. That's life I suppose.</p>
<p>Amazingly Qualified Students such as yourself have been waitlisted because UM would like to admit you, but right now there isn't space. Would you really like to go to a university where 3 people are scrunched into doubles...where you can't get into classes? I think probably not. UM admissions is doing what's best for the University...they are also trying to be fair to you and the other waitlisted candidates. But their job isn't to make you feel warm and cozy about UM...its their job to admit a strong freshman class that the "U" can accomodate.</p>
<p>I think that is bollocks (no offense). I applied early so that i could get in...as i thought my stats were typical of the average Mich student. I thought the rolling admissions process would help me, but i was incredibly wrong. On the other hand, i know people who applied at the same time as me or even later (nov, dec) and had the same qualifications as me....and they got accepted. And some of those people who got accepted aren't even going there....while I on the other hand was willing to attend. </p>
<p>Also, Michigan usually accepts 45-50% of the deferred applicants. With the increased competition this year, i was expecting 35-40% of deferred applicants to be accepeted. However, i doubt even 10% were accepted, according to the posts on this forum.</p>
<p>Obviously i wouldn't like to go to a university where three people are scrunched ito doubles. But that's not the point. I shouldn't have been waitlisted in the first place as i am qualified, applied early and showed interest in the University.</p>
<p>You have an impressive sense of entitlement. You were qualified (as though your assessment of your qualifications mattered in this situation), applied early, and showed interest, and ergo you should have gotten in. You were "entitled". I think you are just angry because this whole process has shown you that you aren't entitled to anything in life, no matter how much you THINK you deserve it. </p>
<p>The University of Michigan is under no obligation to treat you fairly, and that's not news to anybody who has, did, or will ever apply here. There were a whole bunch of people who were more "qualified" than you, and they didn't get in...they didn't stage a nutty...they didn't go on a rampage. They accepted the decision, and went on with their lives. Perhaps that's what you should do as well.</p>
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<p>Don't ever apply to graduate school. You'll give yourself a stroke.</p>
<p>I feel for those who didn't get in. However, good universities turn down many good applicants each year. I always emphasize that Michigan is NOT a safety, no matter how good the applicant happens to be.</p>
<p>kd540...dude i know there's nothing i can do about it. i did say that this is the harsh reality of life. Obviously i'm gonna get on with my life. do you expect me to argue about this for the rest of my life? This is the UMich forum, where we are free to voice our concerns....and that is exactly what i'm doing. </p>
<p>I never said i'm not accepting the decision!!! I have to! I just said that i was treated unfairly, like many others.</p>
<p>Alexandre, i never though of michigan as a safety. I thought it was in-between match and Reach. However, now I think it was actually a slight Reach for me.</p>
<p>I just want to see the statistics of the admitted class. If they are rejecting the type of students on this board, their acceptance rate must be in the 40s, average ACT in the 30s, and average GPA higher than 3.7. It's unfortunate that I had to apply in the most competitive year when they shut down MoJo. But of course, it's good for the U, because they will rise in the rankings.</p>
<p>Actually, Michigan IS under the obligation to read our applications carefully. FFS we paid $65 for that application so that it can be read carefully, not put to one side and be ignored. It deserves that respect.</p>
<p>I know some people on here have said that the application is given "extensive consideration"....but somehow i cannot believe it.</p>
<p>I was extremely shocked to hear that I was waitlisted. In fact, Alexandre, someone with alot of knowledge concerning the UM admissions process, told me that I would get in.</p>
<p>CCrunner, I told you I liked your chances, but there are no guarantees with top universities. Michigan will turn down very qualified students. One must realize that this is not a "rejection". More qualified applicants are turned down than accepted. It really is a question of luck.</p>
<p>Look guys. I haven't seen a single person post stats on this board that would even warrant a waitlist from HYPSM. And I'm sorry, but if your stats aren't good enough to get a second look at an Ivy league school, they're sure as heck not good enough to make you a shoo-in at the University of Michigan. If any of you guys had a 1500+ old SAT, was top 1% in your class, and applied early in the admissions process, you'd have reason to complain, but not a single one of you fits that profile, so you could have all been better applicants. Sorry Mightynick, but having "stats that were typical of the average Mich student' does not mean you deserve admission. And how can you possibly propose what actually happened when applications were being reviewed? We have posters here who have been PERSONALLY INVOLVED in Michigan's admission process explaining it to you and you, someone without a clue as to how admissions works, are trying to tell them they're lying? Please. CCRunner: Alexandre, myself, and everyone else in here who likes to give feedback on an applicant's chances at admission are always very reluctant to do so because we simply don't know. We haven't seen your application and we haven't seen the applications you're competing with. As a result, we very rarely say anything like "you're going to get in". Alexandre may have said you're more likely to get in than not, but i higly doubt alexandre guaranteed you admission. I myself was told by my MIT interviewer that I had over a 50% chance of getting in, but I, like you, was waitlisted. That's life, we're just trying to give you an idea, but we're fallible.</p>
<p>I applied in like late September, received the letter requesting my grades, and I got a 3.83 UW with 4 AP's! Wasn't that what Michigan wanted to see? What was the point of the letter if my grades didn't have any influence whatsoever? And then the admissions office tells me that they just received an essay about a month ago, even though they confirmed everything was in in late October. They told me that I coulda've had a decision nearly 3 months ago if that little problem hadn't occurred.</p>
<p>And, Michigan later confirmed that they actually had my essay and it was there all along.</p>
<p>"If any of you guys had a 1500+ old SAT, was top 1% in your class, and applied early in the admissions process, you'd have reason to complain, but not a single one of you fits that profile, so you could have all been better applicants." </p>
<p>Not True. 1530, Applied in Early October, and although I probably wasn't top 1%, well over 35% of graduating students from my school go to Ivies and I'm certainly in the top 15%.</p>
<p>CCRunner: That was clearly not what Michigan was looking for. That GPA and senior year courseload is probably average for incoming students, and they were probably looking for something above average to push you over the top in this competitive year.
fogdogzz:You bring up an interesting point. Your statement of "not true" is in fact not true because you don't fit my profile. So I'm still right. But either way, you bring an interesting point up. Had you been top 1% at a worse school, you probably would have gotten in. I see this as a flaw in the Michigan admissions system. I think they need to shift their focus in admission away from GPA/class rank toward strength of school, courseload, and standardized test scores. This doesn't mean they shouldn't still look at GPA, i think it's a very big thing to consider, just not nearly as much as Michigan actually does. I'm an economics and statistics student here at Michigan and I plan on doing research, maybe even my thesis, on a statistical evaluation of the correlation between HS GPA, HS strength-of-courseload, HS strength-of-school, and SAT/ACT scores with GPA upon graduating from the Uniiversity. I hope to publish findings that support the view that the latter three are better (or at least just as good of) indicators than the first criterion, which Michigan values so highly. I'm hoping to use it to reform the U of M admissions process. If I was in admissions, I'd let you in, but I value different things than our adcoms.</p>