The aspect of life.

<p>Ok. Look at it this way:</p>

<p>The dominant religions- Christianity, Islam, and Judaism- all have their holy scriptures- the bible, the Koran, and the Torah, and all have their respective institutions. </p>

<p>For me, it's impossible to think God doesn't exist. Who created us? Who created the Universe? But God's existence or his true nature may not be as described by either of the religions mentioned. </p>

<p>If religions are wrong, then why believe?</p>

<p>Religions are not "wrong" or "right". Remember that in Islam, for example, God (I believe this) talked to the Prophet Mohammed and recited the teachings that would later become the Koran. Only that between the actual recitation and the writing of these recitations was a span 40 years. Many people don't know this. </p>

<p>Think of humanity. Of the weakness and fragility of men: In 40 years, would you be able to remember something exactly they way they taught you? No. Would you therefore fill in the gaps of what you don't remember convincing yourself that indeed that's what you were taught? Perhaps. </p>

<p>The same goes for Christianity and Judaism. Both churches consist of men. The faiths have survived these thousands of years thanks to their institutions. But again, men make mistakes. </p>

<p>What I mean to say is that, if the Koran says at some point: "Hit your wife so that she could be obedient" this doesn't mean God said that. Obviously not. People have to use their common sense. That is obviously a fallacy that probably originated as a small mistake hundreds of years ago and eventually grew into that. It snowballed. It doesn't disqualify the whole Koran or more importantly, the whole concept of God. </p>

<p>The same can be said about Christianity and Judaism. The fact that somewhere in the back of the bible, it says that Jews need to be converted, doesn't disqualify the whole bible, or Christianity. Think about it: Doesn't something like that sound like it was an addition from someone who felt the Jews were sinning and therefore needed to be converted?</p>

<p>My main point is this: Before you decide to disbelieve, look at everything around you. Feel for yourself, think for yourself. Believing doesn't mean following a specific doctrine. It doesn't mean any doctrine is "wrong" or that its followers are "ignorants" either. </p>

<p>What I believe is the following:</p>

<p>According to science, nothing can be created nor destroyed. Everything- everything that we know of in the universe has had to come from somewhere else. Now look at men or creatures. You can have idential twins, brothers, anything. It doesn't matter how similar on the outside, no two people are exactly alike (in the "inside"). Why? Why is it that you can have two bundles of organs- two hearts, two brains, etc. And yet, these two "bundles of organs" (human beings), even when raised together and in the same environment, they are different persons?</p>

<p>It is evident (at least to me) that there's something more. There's something which makes us who we are- beyond anything material. "Soul" is the term we have come up with. </p>

<p>If nothing in the universe- nothing, matter or energy- can be created nor destroyed, then what makes you think that the "souls" would be destroyed? They couldn't. Because nothing just dissappears out of nowhere. If we have souls, and these can't be destroyed, then the questions is "what happens afterwards?"</p>

<p>I am not saying I have all the answers. I certainly don't. I don't think religion is "wrong". I think that with time, the human imperfections have surfaced and materialized into sometimes senseless rules. </p>

<p>To me, God certainly exists. Maybe he is not the way some religions have pictured it. Maybe it's not a "he" at all. But to me, it is the force that drives everything in the universe. No, it's not fate. He puts you somewhere and gives you the ability to create your own reality. </p>

<p>Christianity teaches that God is our father. I believe this; he created us. Do you really think that a father would "punish" his children- his CREATION- by sending them to a place called "hell" for say, having sex before marriage?</p>

<p>I personally don't. Remember, mem created the rules. With time, the rules snowballed. I don't think God would want to "punish" his creation by sending them to an "eternal lake of fire" I mean c'mon! Would a father punish his children by killing them? He couldn't. He created them. Every trait of their personality he created. He loves them. </p>

<p>If you dont believe in hell then, that doesn't mean you're an atheist. Or if you don't believe in the specific doctrine of any church, you are not an atheist either. I believe that each of us is a wonderful creation (Have you guys seen the human body from the inside? It's perfection. Just like any other creature on Earth. We could't never come up with it in a million years) therefore, we have a wonderful mind, and can discover the world around us on our own. </p>

<p>And that's my view on religion. I hope it wasn't too confusing. </p>

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<p>I've seen her type before, and I have no patience for it.</p>

<p>There is no way I'm reading that...</p>

<p>Not everyone needs religion, but everyone needs faith. </p>

<p>As a bit of a tangent: Humans are inherently flawed, which is why I don't believe that humans have the right to do something just because it's in scripture. Even if you believe in inspiration, the fact that humans wrote the Torah/Bible/Koran means that those books WILL be flawed to some degree. Trust your mentors, but don't interpret whatever they say to be divine will.</p>

<p>ABCB, this is utterly ridiculous. My "type"? You mean people who think for themselves rather than blindly swallowing whatever beliefs have been fed to them? I'm not seeking to offend anybody, but if we are going to debate over this rather sensitive topic, let's do so with minimal emotional involvement, shall we?
From a historical viewpoint, religion was indeed implemented specifically to impose fear on the uneducated masses. Christianity itself gained its popularity during the middle ages. Most rulers didn't believe in a god themselves, but they enforced christianity to keep the serfs on the manors under control. In order to keep their workforce from rebelling, they presented the belief that if you accepted your place in life and were 'a good Christian' you'd go to heaven, but if you ever did anything bad (such as question the fairness of feudalism), then you'd go straight to hell! Foisted Christianity in the Middle Ages also led to the the crusades, which unfortunately was the root of a deep tension behind christians and muslims that exists even today.
As for the origins of religion, it arose from the need to explain things in an age when science had not yet been developed (people needed, as they do today, an explanation for why the world works the way it does, the inevitability of death, for instance, and an almighty force was a natural explanation in a hierarchal civilization). In every civilization that has ever existed, there have been "gods" of some sort that have been worshipped, polytheistic or monotheistic, and they have worshiped those "gods" in different ways. For instance, the polytheistic Mayans made human sacrifices to please their god and get a good harvest. The Ancient Greeks built temples to honor theirs (by the way, most of Christian imagery is lifted from the Ancient Greeks). Who's to say whose beliefs were right and wrong? Why is Christianity thought of as the superior religion? Because it has more followers? It only has more followers because, during the age of absolute monarchs, kings and popes formed rather corrupt relationships, and anyone under the king's rule who didn't conform to his beliefs were killed.
I'm not against religion. It's a comfort. So many people have a "faith in god" that makes them feel better about certain situations (death, for instance. Whenever a love one has passed away,we say they go to heaven and it makes us feel better. But there is no heaven. People just rot in the ground after they die- no wonder so many people have fooled themselves into belieiving!), in addition to effectively fostering a sense of 'morality'. Even during ancient times, before a crime and justice system, religion was used to "keep people in line"- people were afraid to "sin", because then they would go to hell. It worked extremely well.
However, today, religion is more of a burden than the great spiritual force of "good" it's supposed to be. Instead of bringing people together, it tears them apart. There's been so much unnecessary fighting and dissent- Christianity, Judaism, and Islam(which are all based upon the same texts!!!!) are constantly in conflict, and all three of them in the past have justified slavery and murder of other human beings due to their "savagery" and "stupidity" to worship more than one god! Religions also tyrannize their own people- for instance, Christians use the bible to enforce prejudices against homosexuals, people who aren't white, even women! According to the Bible, women are either brazen Jezebels not to be trusted or weak, dependent halfwits whose only function is to bear children, one of the major reasons why women were oppressed for so many years. </p>

<p>Overall, I'm very much of a "live and let live" type of person- I have the utmost respect for people's beliefs and never voice my views on Atheism unless someone explicitly asks me about them. However, I am concerned with the strife religion continues to be the source of today. In an increasingly globalized society, what will happen to the different religions as we know them? Will an increasingly educated population simply discard the framework, or will they hold onto their beliefs? And, if these beliefs are held onto, can there ever really be worldwide peace if there continues to be a very distinct clash between two spheres of thinking (Western Christianity vs. Eastern Islam) both vying for worldwide authority? It makes you think.....</p>

<p>i dont believe in god
theres a scientific explanation for everything everything and everything
everything spiritual is psychological
so there
my beliefs in a nutshell
believe what you want and feel right</p>

<p>shore, I can't say for sure how many Wiccans are in America. It's growing more popular, but most people who "follow" it believe that it's all about magick and charms. It's not. True believers (and not just religion-of-the-moment), there are probably around 300,000 of us. Maybe more. I've never seen it on Boston Legal because I don't watch that show haha.</p>

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<p>Newton's Law of Motion- A physical body will remain at rest until a force acts upon it. What was the original force?</p>

<p>you're thinking way too much. go read a book or something.</p>

<p>Read macbeth... and find the line where macbeth calls God ".... and old idiot telling a tale"</p>

<p>physics has an explanation for everything....</p>

<p>The idea of friction for example= sexual innuendo</p>

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<p>A book is supposed to DISCOURAGE thought????</p>

<p>The ontological argument is totally flawed. I have looked at it. It makes an assertion that has no background or reason. I have also seen proofs for God like Pascal's Wager and the problem of evil but none of these come up with the conclusion that God exists. </p>

<p>I oversimplified myself when I said morals are innate in people. It is a response to the usual question: If God doesn't exist why do people not run around killing each other? I mean morals are innate in the way you do not just go around killing people if you grow up in a neutral enviroment (w/e that is). Evolution has embedded some morals. Why do you think that we don't eat our children etc.? </p>

<p>To the perosn who said: we don't know how we were created and that is proof for God. Are you fu8ing kidding me? Evolution. And lack of knowledge doesn't result in God as the answer. </p>

<p>Why do you think people are killing their wives who cheat in the Middle East? RELIGION and faith. </p>

<p>I used to be mad when I first figured out that God did not exist but now I am happy. I have a life on this Earth that is my own and I do not have some omniscent ashole watching me every second. I also can not totally be forgiven so I have to do the right stuff with my life. </p>

<p>I still have not found a logical reason to believe in God. Would I be happy if there was God? Sure, but I am just as happy without him!</p>

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<p>well said. this probably has some CCist stuff in it</p>

<p>At this point I’m baffled regarding the concepts oriented around life. Without definitive proof of almost anything, it’s difficult for me to formulate a perspective regarding this component. It’s as if the sole knowledge that I possess was derived from what I’ve been told through a composition of deductive and inductive reasoning. That’s really all I have to work with, which unfortunately leads me to question the validity of my beliefs.</p>

<p>I missed AOM :/</p>

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<p>What assertion is that?
Personally, I think the main flaw is the whole “it is better to be necessary than not necessary” thing. It’s also a little iffy to define something that may not exist - but it isn’t really a logical flaw. But essentially, it’s an argument a posteriori.
Everyone finds a different flaw in the ontological argument. And what does it say if no one even agrees on how the argument is flawed?</p>

<p>Pascal’s Wager was never an attempt at proof.</p>

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<p>It arguably has an economic/biological foundation, since 1. men want to know their money will go on to their children and 2. men want to know their genes are being passed on.
Religion also arguably has an economic foundation (maintenance of economic status quo), but given the existence of religions like Buddhism and Jainism, that seems a little questionable.</p>

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<p>Maybe the idea isn’t that there’s supposed to be a logical reason. Maybe you can only know God through personal experience and searching.</p>

<p>(I’m a religious person who doesn’t believe in God, by the way, because my religion doesn’t include God. I just think it’s unfair to dismiss God so easily.)</p>

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<p>lol True. I actually read Pascal’s Pensees this year, and the point was that believing in God was the best gamble because it was more likely to have beneficial results</p>

<p>In fact, Pascal thought that a totally logical approach to anything was a bad thing</p>

<p>Yeah, I suppose the best argument against Pascal’s Wager would be to say that believing in God if he doesn’t exist could actually lead to more harm. But that’s about it.</p>

<p>I don’t get why atheists complain about why there’s no logical proof for certain religions. I mean, well, DUH. The main idea behind most religions is faith. While there were people who tried to create logical justifications for religion, those people still never gave up on that core principle.</p>

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The truth. And I’m not even old, or at least I like to think I’m not.</p>

<p>Each person rationalizes his or her own religion to him/herself. (yay PC) That ^ is why I’m not atheist.</p>

<p>I believe in a kind of quantum mechanics approach to life in which everything that we perceive as reality is just that - merely our preception of the world around us. Every particle is simultaneously in many positions at once, and it is up to our brains to pick a position that will make sense to whatever laws of physics we have created, not discovered. </p>

<p>Things make sense in our lives because we’ve created it to do so. History, television, music, even the Internet is made up on the spot. If I watch a new TV show, I’m making up whats happens subconciously as it goes. Think about our dreams… you can make up an entire life with its own memories and wierd TV programs (I have at least), and its all just made up by our minds, but seems real at the time, most of the time. I think that life occurs in the same way. Its a tremendous individual feat, so much so that it seems impossible, but I don’t think that it can be ruled out considering how little we know about conciousness. </p>

<p>Why do we live in the time period we do now? I think that we’ve been placed in a time where we can live forever, coinciding with the quantum theory of the multiverse. In one universe, we will always be alive, and that is the universe that we will perceive. This essentially means we are immortal. Other people will watch us die, but we will live on in our reality, crawling out of a collapsed building or out of a crashed airplane. Similarly, we will watch our friends and family die, though they continue to live in their own realities. More and more, I am beginning to accept the idea that transhumanism is the fate of the future, allowing us to live beyond what we once thought possible. The history that we read about in text books is just made up by our conciousness. It’s a totally wierd theory, but I kind of like it.</p>

<p>As for a god… in a sense, each of us is our own god. After all, in this theory, we create the world around us, including the events that happen to us. Our sense of spirituality comes from this connection we have with the universe around us - this unconcious control that we have over it. It links us to the world in a way we can’t explain, and therefore have come up with the idea of spirits and religion. For mild evidence of this, think how much our attitudes can effect our experiences. If we have positive confident outlooks, we often perform tasks much better than when we are nervous and doubtful. Personally in the past, I’ve said to myself “this is too good to be true,” as something amazing was happening to me, and at least the two most prominent moments that I’ve said that, something went wrong… it was too good to be true. I wonder if things would have turned out differently if I just believed that it could happen.</p>

<p>Long, strange post, I know. But that is a little portion of my current beliefs on the topic of life.</p>