<p>So... The big question.
Is getting into NYU stern alot harder than getting into NYU cas? I've heard that they are about the same but also that Stern is alot harder.</p>
<p>Stern is harder.</p>
<p>The difference between CAS and Stern is almost negligible.</p>
<p>Many people say Stern’s admissions process puts greater emphasis on numbers/scores than CAS which may make it more difficult to be accepted to…</p>
<p>Overall, most people I know believe Stern is harder. (sorry if that didn’t answer your question well… :/)</p>
<p>Are there HEOP students at NYU Stern?</p>
<p>I wonder what’s the difference in the admissions between CAS and Stern… Someone help plz?</p>
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<p>Wrong, but you can believe that if it helps your ego. It’s also not as big as some people think it is though. Based on an analysis from the few publicly available figures I did a while back the Stern acceptance rate was somewhere between 4-10% lower, so in the low 20% range for that year (2010 admissions, I think it was).</p>
<p>Also, keep in mind the applicant pool for Stern is stronger, at least number-wise, than NYU’s in general.</p>
<p>Acceptance rates do not tell you anything about which is ‘more difficult to get into’. It largely depends on how strong each of the applicants are, so on and so forth. The very marginal acceptance rate difference between Stern and CAS is negligible. Both CAS and Stern have acceptance rates in the 20%'s.</p>
<p>Again, the numbers difference between Stern and CAS is negligible. You have people going to CAS with 2,200+ SATs and 3.7+ GPAs, just like Stern. You have people going to Stern with 1900 or lower SATs and 3.3 or lower GPAs, just like CAS. If you actually toured NYU recently (they’ll give you basic information like this on tours, if you ask), or received some of their more recent emails about applications and admissions, you would realize that it’s mostly rumor that Stern is more difficult to get into than CAS.</p>
<p>If one cannot get into Stern, it’s not likely they’re going to get into CAS either.</p>
<p>From Businessweek:
Stern’s SAT scores:
Mean: 1457
Median: 1470</p>
<p>Acceptance rate: 21%</p>
<p>In an announcement from NYU:
“Matthew’s tenure as dean has been truly transformative. First and foremost, there are the changes in the academic qualifications of the College’s student body: during his tenure, applications to CAS almost tripled, from 8,000 to 23,000; SAT scores rose from below 1200 to 1424; and the acceptance rate dropped from 70% in 1991 to a record 24% this spring.”</p>
<p>Wow! A 3% difference in acceptance rate and some 33 to 46 point difference on the SAT! Stern is SO MUCH HARDER! Seriously?</p>
<p>Like I originally said, the difference is almost negligible. Care to refute again?</p>
<p>Secondly, it’s blatantly rude of you to assume I need or want some type of ego boost because I go to NYU CAS. </p>
<p>If you were actually familiar with CAS, you would realize that many programs within CAS are in the top 20; a number are in the top 10; and some are even the best in the world. </p>
<p>You very clearly need familiarize yourself with the actual facts, rather than the rumors you’re purporting.</p>
<p>CAS takes transfers from LSP, Stern does not. So the value of a CAS degree reflects that many CAS graduates started at LSP.</p>
<p>A few problems with your statement:</p>
<p>(1) I don’t think ‘many’ is an accurate word, LSP is not that large of a program, at least not compared to CAS and not all LSP students continue on into CAS. I think ‘some’ might be a better quantifier. </p>
<p>(2) Collectiv had stated that Stern and CAS differ some non-negligible amount in difficulty of admissions - LSP has no bearing on that. </p>
<p>(3) Just because some people started off at LSP says nothing about how well they did or the value of a CAS degree.</p>
<p>An objective response:</p>
<p>I was at Stern’s Weekend on the Square event on Sunday, and the associate dean, Susan Greenbaum, said that, this year, Stern received about 7500 applicants.</p>
<p>If we take Ms. Greenbaum at her word, and consider that the yield rate for Stern’s class of around 500 freshman is normally 38% (give or take one percent, with this figure based on averaging previous statistics from Common Data Sets from NYU’s website, and taking into account that Stern’s yield may indeed be slightly higher than the rest of the school, but not by much), it is not difficult to estimate this year’s acceptance rate for the school.</p>
<p>After basic arithmetic, one can calculate the acceptance rate for the incoming freshman class to be <em>about</em> 17.5%. Of course, with this, we have made a number of assumptions, but I think that it is consistent with previous measures, and supports the general consensus that Stern is more difficult to get into than the rest of NYU’s undergraduate programs.</p>
<p>I do not, however, think that Stern’s acceptance rate is in the 20%'s.</p>
<p>NYU 2013, you are so found of facts. So please what is size of entering CAS v LSP? If you, who have access to every number, please dispute. LSP is HUGE and getting bigger, with all the foreign locations. I think LSP is almost as large as CAS. LSP kids can transfer to CAS, not Stern or Tisch. So the entering class of CAS is really CAS + LSP.</p>
<p>Kayf, </p>
<p>Again you’re arguing something which has no bearing. Also, LSP is now The Core Program and GLS. GLS students do not enter always another school - they can remain as GLS majors. </p>
<p>Core Students may continue on to:
“degree programs in the College of Arts and Science and the Gallatin School of Individualized Study, or degree programs in the Preston Robert Tisch Center for Hospitality, Tourism and Sports Management, the Silver School of Social Work, and the College of Nursing, as well as selected majors in the Tisch School of the Arts and the Steinhardt School of Culture, Education, and Human Development”</p>
<p>In fact, they can go into Steinhardt, Tisch, etc. Please get your facts correct before stating something which clearly is not factual. </p>
<p>The question was “How hard is it to get into CAS?” LSP has nothing to do with CAS - it’s a separate program. We’re talking about getting into CAS, not into what was formerly LSP.</p>
<p>In terms of enrollment LSP is only 10.1% of undergraduate enrollment. CAS is 33.3%, Tisch is 14.8%, Stern is 10.8% and Steinhardt is 11.3%. Remind me, how is LSP ‘huge’?</p>
<p>Again, learn your facts. LSP is nowhere near as large as CAS - in fact it’s smaller than Stern, Steinhardt and Tisch.</p>
<p>NYU2013 - we’ve been through this song and dance before. The fact of the matter is your numbers didn’t stack up last time, and they still don’t. Take, for example, the fact that NYU’s admissions rate is 32%. Stern’s is 21%. Both according to Businessweek, to keep it consistent. So what you’re saying is that the rest of NYU has a 39% acceptance rate, including Tisch. That sounds dubious, particularly in light of your quoted 24% which clearly specifies the SPRING admissions cycle.</p>
<p>By the way - LSP enrollment is artificially low because people leave the program after 2 years, and move into other schools. If you’re looking at percentages of each enrolled class it would be closer to 20%.</p>
<p>Whitingrj - My numbers were conservative, because apparently NYU2013 has a chip on his shoulder about this.</p>
<p>NYU2013 - I don’t think I was “blatantly rude” about my assertion at all. Because clearly you’re taking the OP’s question far too seriously for anything other than pride or ego to be involved.</p>
<p>My numbers come straight from NYU. I don’t think you have any grounds to disagree with my numbers. I can give you the source if you need it: [Matthew</a> Santirocco Stepping Down as Dean of the College and Taking on a New Assignment as Senior Vice Provost for Undergraduate Academic Affairs, CAS | NYU](<a href=“http://cas.nyu.edu/object/cas.news.dean-santirocco-stepping-down]Matthew”>http://cas.nyu.edu/object/cas.news.dean-santirocco-stepping-down)</p>
<p>As you can see, CAS’s acceptance rate is 24%; versus Stern’s 21%. </p>
<p>I’m sorry you don’t think they stack up, but as is plainly clear, your assumptions are misguided - as I’ve clearly shown by providing NYU’s own data. </p>
<p>Secondly, the article isn’t talking about spring admissions - there is no freshmen spring admissions. Admissions numbers aren’t finalized and published until spring, which is why it says spring. </p>
<p>And, before you come back and state that it’s talking about transfer admission, the NYU CAS transfer admission rate is between 10% and 15%: <a href=“How to Apply”>How to Apply;
<p>Again, I’m sorry you don’t like how the numbers add up, but you’re clearly doing some of the math incorrectly. Tisch, Stern and CAS all have acceptance rates in the 20s%.</p>
<p>Lastly, I stated a fact in my post the OP. You posted your opinion, which I’ve shown is not true, and then stated “I could tell myself that to boost my ego”. Yeah - that’s blatantly rude and completely uncalled for. Do you honestly think I care what you or anyone else thinks and that my ego needs boosting? LOL.</p>
<p>I believe the biggest question is, why do we even care? Are we all so self-conscious about our academic achievements that we feel like we need to justify them through the acceptance rates of the colleges we attend?</p>
<p>I don’t particularly care, getting into Stern or CAS is not particularly difficult. But the numbers NYU2013 likes to spout are obviously inaccurate - you can choose which numbers to believe, but unless you think the non-CAS/Stern schools have 39% acceptance rates, then one or both of the school-specific admissions figures are wrong.</p>
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<p>The math is simple algebra: The summation of School specific enrollment % * School specific acceptance rate = 32%. You can dice it however you want, but the numbers are irrefutable. If you’re saying over half of NYU has 21-24% (including Tisch in that), then the remaining schools have a 44% acceptance rate.</p>
<p>This is quite sad, especially from college students. First, it is tedious and irrelevant to make a statement about which school is more selective. Second, the biases and concept of my school is better than your school is just so second grade. Third, a degree from NYU is a degree from NYU. Similar to the Columbia CC v. Columbia GS debate. Employers will not care about the minor differences for personal reasons or uncontrollable circumstances. In fact, LSP students at NYU or GS students at Columbia can have the edge in finding internships or jobs. Granted, some people in LSP or GS are plain out ignorant and do not deserve to be there (hopefully the weak links will be removed by junior year). Students from LSP, GS, or other non-traditional programs actually have character and do not show the same-old traditional student. A student that stands out is much better than a wet, rinse, dry, repeat student. Fourth, whichever school one goes to is the person’s choice. If a person wishes to attend CAS for an eco major instead of Stern, big deal. It is the person’s decision and said person is still in a prestigious school that is ranked 22nd in the world. Lastly, I would like to point out, regardless of school, be grateful you are in on the best schools in the nation and in the pivotal area for internships and job opportunities. </p>
<p>Post Script: For the record, I was accepted to NYU-CAS and Columbia GS (I took time off and Columbia College does not accept transfer students who have taken time off). My extracurricular included 2 years of AmeriCorps (National Community Service), a year of being a NY Cares volunteer. A 2200 on my SAT (790CR, 610 Math (bah!), 800 Writing), and a 4.0 GPA in high school and 3.94 in college. I accepted NYU’s offer as I enjoy NYU’s environment more than zombie-like Columbia and the housing was a huge concern for me!</p>
<p>^ agree
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