<p>"^ yeah I was confused by those biased assertions, also. You're taking Duke's side, even though EAD clearly has made the most biased assertions on this thread"</p>
<p>Yeah, I'm clearly biased too.</p>
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My main issue lies with separting Cornell's schools for comparisons. I cetainly see your point, but I still stand by my own.
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<p>And yet you haven't provided any justification for your own.</p>
<p>Okay, apple2pie has said Cornell and Duke are equals. Now lets work on EAD and Goblue so we can let this pointless thread die..</p>
<p>Personally, EAD should work on seeking professional help. His unilateral zeal for Duke might find some company in the DSM IV.</p>
<p>One suggestion that has been made about Cornell's med school admission rate is that it might give out slightly lower grades than Duke (I've mentioned this before, premed classes are generally curved to C+/B-, what is it at Duke? check out my earlier post). If you look at the med school admission rate for Cornell premeds with a 3.4 or above, it is very high- about 88%. So if you control for this grading factor, it seems to be that Cornell places very well into med schools.</p>
<p>He could certainly use it, but I have a feeling he's too proud to do so</p>
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I used the admit rate for 2012 because those are available. And certainly with those, duke admit rate is lower than Cornell.
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<p>By like what, 1.5%? Your point?</p>
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3. Duke is more prestigious (which, considering med schools don't really care that much about prestige, doesn't factor in much regardless of whether Duke is more prestigious or not)
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<p>Although I don't concur with that statement, even if Duke was more prestigious than Cornell, by how much margin is it more prestigious? Why are you attempting to make this fine, minute-difference distinctions? </p>
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I've alrealdy been through this, I'm trying to argue against what I feel are biased assertions.
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<p>Cornell posters are biased, while others aren't? Whether or not one thinks which school is more prestigious is up to the individual, between Duke and Cornell. I suspect that geography may play a large role in leading people to have different views of the two schools. I hope that I didn't come off as sounding "biased", as you described. Early in this thread, I have stated, in response to EAD, that I concur that the students at Cornell specialty schools are not as strong as Duke CAS or Engi students statistically. But, what I am arguing is that Cornell student body is diverse and the specialty schools assess candidates based on different factors. And, do Duke people really have to push it this far, in every thread? I sense that some posters are just there to be Duke promotion recruits.</p>
<p>Brown man, and that 88% is before even considering MCAT scores, which makes it all the more impressive.</p>
<p>So, I don't even think you can say that the Duke name, when compared to Cornell's, will even help you in med school admissions , according to the data I have provided above.</p>
<p>"Until you can provide a detailed breakdown of Duke's applicants by GPA and MCAT, you don't have any case. You can't even provide what year your data is from."</p>
<p>how would being a more pre-professional school change the data even if we had that? I think its pretty clear. Duke has a much higher premed acceptance rate, so if the student bodies entering are equal, then duke is a much better choice for premed.</p>
<p>I'm not going to even send you the feeder webpage link b/c I know you've probably seen in. I think duke is very good for getting kids into law/med/b schools. I totally agree its about the applicant and not the school but I think but will be better for the applicant on average, if slightly, coming from Duke. I don't want to argue this at all, but I just have to add, at least where I live, Duke IS seen as more prestigious than Cornell by regular, middle class educated folks, and most ppl I know if they got into both would go to Duke. I still really like Cornell though and wear my Ithaca is Gorges T-Shirt ^_^</p>
<p>Goodnight. I am glad the tone has recently calmed a little.</p>
<p>"And yet you haven't provided any justification for your own.'</p>
<p>When people refer to Cornell do they refer specifically to the CAS or Enginneering College? No</p>
<p>They refer to the whole university. </p>
<p>Why not use the whole university for comparison?</p>
<p>Others have argued that the non CAS and Engineering College have different missions, lowering their scores. </p>
<p>I have already said that regardless of what the colleges selection process is, it does not change its end result of a statistically weaker student body.</p>
<p>I also do not believe that an "essay on why I want to be a farmer/ hotel manager" is going to be weighted more than my grade in high school and my college admissions test.</p>
<p>"Duke has a much higher premed acceptance rate, so if the student bodies entering are equal, then duke is a much better choice for premed."</p>
<p>Look at my post about Cornell students w/ a 3.4 GPA applying to med school. 88% of Cornell premeds with a 3.4 GPA are accepted. </p>
<p>"Duke IS seen as more prestigious than Cornell by regular, middle class educated folks, and most ppl I know if they got into both would go to Duke."</p>
<p>Additionally, most students would not chose Duke, according to revealed preference rankings:</p>
<p>The</a> New York Times > Week in Review > Image > Collegiate Matchups: Predicting Student Choices</p>
<p>It's about 55 Percent Cornell, 45 percent Duke, which means that they're about equal in this respect.</p>
<p>Apple2pie, let me ask you this. Do you think Cornell is as good a school as other Ivies (say, Brown, Dartmouth, or Penn)??</p>
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Why not use the whole university for comparison?
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<p>Again, because it is an intellectually bankrupt way to assess the quality/caliber of a student's undergraduate education.</p>
<p>When most people talk about Cornell in the real world, they immediately ask what your course of study was. Rest assured that agriculture majors and engineers, architects and hotel managers are not being compared in the same universe.</p>
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I also do not believe that an "essay on why I want to be a farmer/ hotel manager" is going to be weighted more than my grade in high school and my college admissions test.
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<p>Again, it's much more than a simple essay. It's background, work experience, teacher recommendations, and expressed interests. Rest assured you would get rejected from the Ag School's animal science program if your application only had an essay on how you like cows.</p>
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I'm not going to even send you the feeder webpage link b/c I know you've probably seen in. I think duke is very good for getting kids into law/med/b schools. I totally agree its about the applicant and not the school but I think but will be better for the applicant on average, if slightly, coming from Duke. I don't want to argue this at all, but I just have to add, at least where I live, Duke IS seen as more prestigious than Cornell by regular, middle class educated folks, and most ppl I know if they got into both would go to Duke. I still really like Cornell though and wear my Ithaca is Gorges T-Shirt ^_^
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<p>That is all right. I am okay with the fact that Duke is seen as more prestigious and more desirable school in your rigion. Like I stated before, how the two schools are preceived may have to do with geography. In Asia, Cornell is much more prestigious than Duke. I am not so sure about Europe. I get the impression, although not accurate, that in the West Coast (esp LA area), Cornell is seen a bit more prestigious. In South, Duke. In Midwest, the two may be seen similar, in certain circles Duke may edge Cornell. The point is, excluding Asian continent(in which Cornell is much more prominent), the difference btwn the two isn't as substantial as what EAD or some others make out to be. I am releived to see a civilized poster like you from Duke, unlike some other Duke poster.</p>
<p>"Apple2pie, let me ask you this. Do you think Cornell is as good a school as other Ivies (say, Brown, Dartmouth, or Penn)??"</p>
<p>I believe that are institutionally equal. Yes. </p>
<p>Personally, however, I never liked Cornell or Dartmouth as much as the others (too rural). This is completely BIAS. Has nothing to do with their actual value.</p>
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When people refer to Cornell do they refer specifically to the CAS or Enginneering College? No
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<p>most of those kids that refer to Cornell don't even know we have Hotel or those specialized colleges in the first place (i guess CC'ers do tho). so in their right mind, if they were thinking of attending Duke, Columbia, but also Cornell, their "cornell" is referring to our CAS and Eng because I can't possibly imagine same person applying for Duke's Eng but Cornell's Hotel when they don't even know it exists until they do a deeper search into the school.</p>
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how would being a more pre-professional school change the data even if we had that? I think its pretty clear. Duke has a much higher premed acceptance rate, so if the student bodies entering are equal, then duke is a much better choice for premed.
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<p>Claiming that Duke has a <em>much higher</em> premed acceptance rate is misleading until you can produce more substantial data.</p>
<p>The distribution of pre-professionalism can have a big impact. Try this little thought experiment: Assume that at Duke 75% of the top 25% of all life science students apply to med school. And assume that at Cornell the number is 50%, with the rest applying for PhDs.</p>
<p>That would have a non-trivial impact on the acceptance rates, as at Duke a higher percentage of the school's <em>top</em> students are included in the med school applicant pool.</p>
<p>The point is that these types of comparison between schools that are so academically similar is very hard to make. And trying to do so, e.g. "but I think but will be better for the applicant on average coming from Duke" reeks of a certain obnoxiousness and arrogance that is rather unwelcome in the real world.</p>
<p>Have fun in Durham. I look forward to Cornell beating Duke lacrosse sometime in the coming years. And our no scholarship basketball team certainly gave you guys a run for your money this past year.</p>
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When people refer to Cornell do they refer specifically to the CAS or Enginneering College? No</p>
<p>They refer to the whole university. </p>
<p>Why not use the whole university for comparison?</p>
<p>Others have argued that the non CAS and Engineering College have different missions, lowering their scores. </p>
<p>I have already said that regardless of what the colleges selection process is, it does not change its end result of a statistically weaker student body.</p>
<p>I also do not believe that an "essay on why I want to be a farmer/ hotel manager" is going to be weighted more than my grade in high school and my college admissions test.
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<p>I wrote my arguments several pages back. To repeat, I will give my stance in an analogy. You don't compare Harvard Education students, Kennedy Government students, or even generic Ph.D. students with Yale law or medical school students, because of the fact that they focus on completely different areas and their credentials, skills, and interests dwell in completely different areas. For the record, I am a CAS student at Cornell, and I appreciate the fact that Cornell is a very diverse school as it is. If you don't like this aspect of the university, then you certainly don't belong here.</p>
<p>I also posted a reply to this. We are most certainly working around in circles. My opinion is very cemented and will probably not change. I'm done with this thread.</p>