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So you think Cornell is the safety ivy, huh? At least it IS IVY. DUKE IS NOT EVEN IVY. No matter how "selective" your school gets, or how high its USNEWS rankings get, it will never be IVY. Period.
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<p>This is the stupidest *****ing argument I have ever heard. Grow up.</p>
<p>"Okay, but not after controlling for academic major. And I would also <em>love</em> to control for socioeconomic background."</p>
<p>How exactly do I do that? I'm just using the data that is available to me.</p>
<p>"So you think Cornell is the safety ivy, huh? At least it IS IVY. DUKE IS NOT EVEN IVY. No matter how "selective" your school gets, or how high its USNEWS rankings get, it will never be IVY. Period. "</p>
<p>I don't go to Duke. I go to Harvard.</p>
<p>Brown man, a college isn't better than another because it happens to be in an athletic conference.</p>
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Since its under Class of 2012 I'm assuming its the most up to date info. Unfortunately it is not broken down like Cornell does.
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<p>Thanks. And there-in lies your problem.</p>
<p>First, we have no idea what year it is for. I find a lot of schools (especially Duke and Penn) like to cloud their statistics by reporting limited information. Cornell does not do this. You can find anything under the sun you want to find out about Cornell.</p>
<p>We have no idea whether or not Duke endorses all students applying to med school as Cornell does. If you apply to med school from Cornell, you are guaranteed institutional support.</p>
<p>We also have no idea as to the distribution of student quality applying to medical school across Duke or Cornell. It's possible that there is a distributional difference across the schools (e.g. maybe the smarter kids at Duke apply for med school, whereas the smarter kids at Cornell go on for PhDs).</p>
<p>And what you really need to do is compare whether or not there is any difference between the schools after you control for MCAT score and GPA. And I can guarantee there will be none.</p>
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So you think Cornell is the safety ivy, huh? At least it IS IVY. DUKE IS NOT EVEN IVY. No matter how "selective" your school gets, or how high its USNEWS rankings get, it will never be IVY. Period.
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<p>Brown man, are you serious? the Ivy League is a SPORTS league. The 8 Ivy League schools are NOT all the best 8 schools in the country. Get over yourself. Honestly.</p>
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How exactly do I do that? I'm just using the data that is available to me.
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<p>There's a lot more data out there available to you. Trust me.</p>
<p>You could start by admitting that there is a significant difference in the academic disciplines between the two schools and recognize that the Cornell CAS + Eng sample is the best data to use when comparing Cornell to Duke.</p>
<p>Then you could look at SAT scores as a function of income level, and compare the percentage of students on Pell Grants at Duke and Cornell.</p>
<p>A Harvard student is confident about his school's reputation. He/she wouldn't have to go to a forum to put another school down in order to feel better about his. </p>
<p>I am not saying Cornell is better than DUke b/c of its conference. He said it was the safety ivy, and I said (or at least meant to say) : so what? Duke is not even in the ivy league.</p>
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A Harvard student is confident about his school's reputation. He/she wouldn't have to go to a forum to put another school down in order to feel better about his.</p>
<p>I am not saying Cornell is better than DUke b/c of its conference. He said it was the safety ivy, and I said (or at least meant to say) : so what? Duke is not even in the ivy league.
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<p>I don't think you are making much sense any more. You failed to recognize the difference between admitted and enrolling students, and now I can't even parse this nonsense.</p>
<p>"A Harvard student is confident about his school's reputation. He/she wouldn't have to go to a forum to put another school down in order to feel better about his"</p>
<p>Christ. I'm not putting your school down. I'm sorry about the safety Ivy thing. I've never hint at/or will ever hint at superiority. </p>
<p>I've alrealdy been through this, I'm trying to argue against what I feel are biased assertions.</p>
<p>Wow, apple2pie. You have no affiliation with either school and you are spending this much time arguing that Duke is better than Cornell. Go out and make some friends.</p>
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1. The students admitted to Duke who are premed are stronger in academic qualities and potential and qualities med schools might like than those of Cornell students
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<p>This might be a plausible explanation. Duke is more pre-professional than Cornell, and Cornell tends to produce more students who go on for PhDs, especially in the life sciences.</p>
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<p>Doubtful.</p>
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3. Duke is more prestigious (which, considering med schools don't really care that much about prestige, doesn't factor in much regardless of whether Duke is more prestigious or not)
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<p>You just disproved your own point, even if Duke was a more <em>prestigious</em> school, which it isn't, considering that nobody in the real world distinguishes between the top 20 or so schools in the country.</p>
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<p>First, we have no idea what year it is for. I find a lot of schools (especially Duke and Penn) like to cloud their statistics by reporting limited information. Cornell does not do this. You can find anything under the sun you want to find out about Cornell.</p>
<p>We have no idea whether or not Duke endorses all students applying to med school as Cornell does. If you apply to med school from Cornell, you are guaranteed institutional support.</p>
<p>We also have no idea as to the distribution of student quality applying to medical school across Duke or Cornell. It's possible that there is a distributional difference across the schools (e.g. maybe the smarter kids at Duke apply for med school, whereas the smarter kids at Cornell go on for PhDs).</p>
<p>And what you really need to do is compare whether or not there is any difference between the schools after you control for MCAT score and GPA. And I can guarantee there will be none."
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<p>I disagree. 10% is too much. That's a pretty big number. I have researched duke's premed fairly thoroughly and have been assured by students there is no limiting...agreed there are tough classes designed to weed at Duke, but they are there at Cornell. In fact, if anything, you could argue Cornell's reputation for having extremely difficult classes in the science would weed out even more kids.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that there has to be some causation, and I don't think its med school vs. Ph.D. to that degree. Maybe they are the same for MCAT, but that would just indicate that Duke students score higher on the MCAT. If that is true, either they were better educated or part of a stronger class entering.</p>
<p>I still think the ideas you posted were good though to help explain, and they may play some of a factor.</p>
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I've alrealdy been through this, I'm trying to argue against what I feel are biased assertions.
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<p>What, exactly, are the biases assertions again?</p>
<p>"Wow, apple2pie. You have no affiliation with either school and you are spending this much time arguing that Duke is better than Cornell. Go out and make some friends"</p>
<p>This must be the third time I'm saying this. I think Duke and Cornell are equal. I never said that Duke is better than Cornell.</p>
<p>I applied to Duke and still love it as a school. I only want to challenge some assertions that I deem unfit. </p>
<p>And as for your last comment, I don't even know how to respond to that. I'm a CC addict, what can I say. I certainly have a life outside of here lol. I don't have to defend myself against your hateful assertion.</p>
<p>Everything written on this thread is biased, lol.</p>
<p>wow, my freaking head. i seriously should stop reading these new posts. i can see this thread has potential to possibly double, or even triple its page numbers, lol. i seriously wish this would stop.</p>
<p>"What, exactly, are the biases assertions again?"</p>
<p>My main issue lies with separting Cornell's schools for comparisons. I cetainly see your point, but I still stand by my own.</p>
<p>^ yeah I was confused by those biased assertions, also. You're taking Duke's side (or it certainly seems that way), even though EAD clearly has made the most biased assertions on this thread.</p>
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I disagree. 10% is too much. That's a pretty big number. I have researched duke's premed fairly thoroughly and have been assured by students there is no limiting...agreed there are tough classes designed to weed at Duke, but they are there at Cornell. In fact, if anything, you could argue Cornell's reputation for having extremely difficult classes in the science would weed out even more kids.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that there has to be some causation, and I don't think its med school vs. Ph.D. to that degree. Maybe they are the same for MCAT, but that would just indicate that Duke students score higher on the MCAT. If that is true, either they were better educated or part of a stronger class entering.</p>
<p>I still think the ideas you posted were good though to help explain, and they may play some of a factor.
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<p>Until you can provide a detailed breakdown of Duke's applicants by GPA and MCAT, you don't have any case. You can't even provide what year your data is from.</p>
<p>For the same student considering Cornell and Duke, the idea that one school will give you a leg-up in medical school admissions over another is really an unfounded idea. You may just have to trust me on this. I'm three years out of school and have had many friends from many different undergraduate institutions apply to medical school. The overwhelming evidence is that it is the student who gets accepted to medical school, not their undergraduate institution.</p>