<p>Part of the problem is that Cornell makes its information much more readily accessible to the general public, whereas other select schools (e.g. Duke, UPenn) seem to try to cloud the information as much as possible, and do not release their common data set to the public.</p>
<p>For what it is worth, Cornell readily admits the incomplete application problem, and argues that it is a problem at all schools where students need to select an individual college when applying. So Duke, Penn, Northwestern, Georgetown, et. al. or all not immune to this problem, they are just not nearly as transparent as to what is happening.</p>
<p>Last year, Cornell initially reported a 20.5 percent acceptance rate, which increased to 21.4 percent after the use of the waitlist. Best of luck finding similar information for Duke.</p>
<p>Needless to say, acceptance rates are meaningless anyway, as they tell you nothing about the underlying quality of the students being admitted, nor of the caliber of the student experience. Which is all that really matters.</p>
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Why would the Duke Admissions Director lie about the cross admit numbers? If he did, wouldn’t Cornell’s admissions officials call him out on it? Clearly, they haven’t!! Here’s why what the admissions director states is more accurate any day of the week than whatever survey results an independent organization comes up with.</p>
<p>Each student who is accepted to Duke has to send in a Reply Card back to the admissions office to make an official declaration of his/her acceptance or denial of the university’s admissions offer. It is OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY PROCEDURE and each student who is accepted has to turn this card in order to secure his/her acceptance or withdraw from the university. On this Reply Card, students are asked to fill out what colleges they applied to and which ones they were ultimately accepted to. So of all the cross admits between Duke and Cornell, 75 to 90% of them of the students who selected EITHER Duke or Cornell ended up choosing Duke. There is no bias or accuracy error in this way of information gathering. What incentive do these cross admits have in omitting or misrepresenting information on this Reply Card? None at all. There you have it. That’s the truth.</p>
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The fact is that while Duke students have an 85% acceptance rate to med schools, only 75% of Cornell students get admission to med schools and that number was only 68%. Also, consider the fact that Cornell has far more grade deflation than Duke. As a premed, it’s imperative that you maintain a top GPA in your core science classes. It’s easier to do that in Duke than Cornell. In addition to all of this, Duke has better medical advising and research opportunities than Cornell. Does Cornell even have a medical hospital? It certainly can’t compare with the world-famous Duke Medical Center. Duke students have a very easy time getting shadowing and research opportunities at the hospital center and this makes their application to med schools stronger. Besides the MCAT and GPA, med schools also look closely at research/shadowing experience at hospitals as evidence of interest in the medical profession. There are only a handful of schools in the country that can compare to Duke for pre-med. Cornell isn’t certainly one of them.</p>
<p>As far as law school goes, it is basically all a numbers game. It’s all about grades and the LSAT. There is a clear discrepancy between the scores in the CR section of the SAT between Duke and Cornell students. This will translate to a higher future LSAT score for Duke students because they are smarter students upon entering college and receive a more undergraduate-focused education than their Cornell peers, as evidenced by the disparity in faculty resources between the two schools. Cornell probably also has grade deflation in the humanities as well. Also, there was a year in Harvard Law school when Duke was the 3rd most represented school, ahead of Princeton and Stanford. Even the WSJ feeder survey confirms the conclusion that more Duke grads get into the top law schools than Cornell grads.</p>
<p>It is clear that there is a difference in the opportunities offered by these two schools. Again, only data and facts support my reasoning. You are free to ignore my substantiated claims and then rely on your instinct or whatever.</p>
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Uh, most people in the Midwest don’t know more than 2-3 schools in the Ivy League. Many regular folk haven’t even heard of the Ivy League, let alone this up-state New York school called Cornell. The vast majority of Midwesterners know about Duke and Stanford as being the “smart schools” that are also major sports powers though.</p>
<p>True! In addition, the situation at Cornell was … self-reported. The issue of incomplete applications came to light when Cornell published its data for individual colleges.</p>
<p>It’s voluntary response data. It is most likely going to be flawed. tokenadult, feel like posting your info re: voluntary response?</p>
<p>Before, Stanford did the same thing, and came to conclusions that it readily admits are probably not completely accurate. Here are some reasons why: some students do not reply at all (and so it is assumed they are not enrolling); and of those that do, not everyone fills out all the data. I know that when I turned down HYP+, I didn’t put where I would be going.</p>
<p>Again, as has been observed many times, it’s very difficult for one institution to capture true cross-admit battles, for the one-sided blindness problem.</p>
<p>Then again, I’m not surprised that you’re fighting for this metric–though you bash the NYT survey (which is subject to the same error as the figure you quote), this metric puts Duke in a favorable light, whereas the NYT one did not.</p>
<p>EAD, only HYP, Wharton, and Stanford or the like beat cross admit battle with Cornell by 80%+ margin. NOT to mention, according to several surveys, esp, according to the revealed college preferences study, Duke trails Cornell in students’ college preferences in general. And, need I repeat anymore? Duke’s yield percentage hovers around low 40s to high 30s. It is slightly lower than Cornell’s.</p>
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<p>OMG. Omg…I never said that the dean of admissions at Duke lied. I, instead, questioned the accuracy of the source he has. He has gathered that info from a limited set of students, who voluntarily filled out survey that they turned down XYZ schools to attend Duke. Who knows? Some students many have lied about on the survey. Some others were probably carelessly filling the survey out. Many other students didn’t even fill out the survey. I don’t think you can come up with statements like “4 out of 5 peop choose Duke over Cornell. And, those who chose Cornell are going for farming industry.”, all based on that questionable source. lol</p>
<p>"Why would the Duke Admissions Director lie about the cross admit numbers? If he did, wouldn’t Cornell’s admissions officials call him out on it? Clearly, they haven’t!! Here’s why what the admissions director states is more accurate any day of the week than whatever survey results an independent organization comes up with.</p>
<p>Each student who is accepted to Duke has to send in a Reply Card back to the admissions office to make an official declaration of his/her acceptance or denial of the university’s admissions offer. It is OFFICIAL UNIVERSITY PROCEDURE and each student who is accepted has to turn this card in order to secure his/her acceptance or withdraw from the university. On this Reply Card, students are asked to fill out what colleges they applied to and which ones they were ultimately accepted to. So of all the cross admits between Duke and Cornell, 75 to 90% of them of the students who selected EITHER Duke or Cornell ended up choosing Duke. There is no bias or accuracy error in this way of information gathering. What incentive do these cross admits have in omitting or misrepresenting information on this Reply Card? None at all. There you have it. That’s the truth."</p>
<p>The Duke admissions director would lie about cross-admit numbers in order to bolster the rep. of his school. Not a difficult concept for an extremely intelligent Duke student to understand. </p>
<p>First of all, the statistic you provide is flawed, as it is self-reported. Second, even if it weren’t flawed, it suggests nothing. What was the statistic you provided? I believe it was that 75% of the students who got into Duke and at least one of the following schools (JHU, Northwestern, Cornell) chose Duke. Since individual cross admit rates are not given, this statistic is essentially worthless. It could be that 100% of Duke/Cornell cross admits chose Cornell, 0 percent of the Duke/ Northwestern cross admits chose Northwestern, and 0 percent of the Duke/JHU cross admits chose JHU, and no one would ever know. Hence the statistic is useless.</p>
<p>“The fact is that while Duke students have an 85% acceptance rate to med schools, only 75% of Cornell students get admission to med schools and that number was only 68%. Also, consider the fact that Cornell has far more grade deflation than Duke. As a premed, it’s imperative that you maintain a top GPA in your core science classes. It’s easier to do that in Duke than Cornell. In addition to all of this, Duke has better medical advising and research opportunities than Cornell. Does Cornell even have a medical hospital? It certainly can’t compare with the world-famous Duke Medical Center. Duke students have a very easy time getting shadowing and research opportunities at the hospital center and this makes their application to med schools stronger. Besides the MCAT and GPA, med schools also look closely at research/shadowing experience at hospitals as evidence of interest in the medical profession. There are only a handful of schools in the country that can compare to Duke for pre-med. Cornell isn’t certainly one of them.”</p>
<p>Cornell has its own medical hospital; its in New York City. It is known as Weill Cornell Medical hospital and it is one of the best in the world. Many premeds spend a semester there.</p>
<p>Dude, Cornell produces the most medical doctors in this country out of any undergraduate institution. How can you claim that Cornell can’t compare to Duke premed?</p>
<p>/Also, EAD, I would hardly say Duke students have more research opportunities. Cornell is a research powerhouse, and it is known for undergrad research opportunities. You make claims about Cornell, although you really don’t know much about the school (which explains why most of what you say about Cornell is either completely untrue or a distorted version of the truth)</p>
<p>EAD,
Your Wall Street Journal citation is ultimately flawed. It takes the number of students from a university that get into top schools and divides that number by the total number of students (14,000 for cornell vs 6000 for duke )at the university, to obtain its rankings.</p>
<p>Cornell’s class is well over double Duke’s, and hotel, architecture, and agricultural students have no interest in going to top med/law schools. These kids don’t even apply to top med/law/b-schools, hence lowering Cornell’s rating! If this statistic were the number of kids who go to top schools over the number of kids who apply, then I would concede this to you. If you can find this new statistic, do so, and I guarantee you there will be virtually no difference between Duke/Cornell. This shouldn’t be too difficult to understand, you are an brilliant genius of Duke student after all, aren’t you?</p>
<p>EAD… Why don’t we discuss engineering? I am willing to bet that Cornell engineering outranks Pratt engineering in every engineering single field except Biomedical, which Cornell doesn’t even offer a major in.</p>
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<li>Cornell University (NY) 4.4</li>
<li>Duke University (NC) 3.6</li>
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<p>Environmental:</p>
<p>11 Cornell University (NY)
19 Duke University (NC)</p>
<p>Electrical:
8. Cornell University (NY) 4.3
Duke- Not ranked</p>
<p>Mechanical:
9. Cornell University (NY) 4.3
Duke-not ranked</p>
<p>Materials
6 Cornell University (NY)
Duke-not ranked</p>
<p>Cornell engineering thoroughly trumps Pratt engineering. I haven’t even mentioned all the different engineering fields that Cornell is ranked highly in. I left out number one Engineering Physics and CS, which is top 5 in the world. These rankings show that Cornell is clearly superior to Duke in its reputation for engineering. What do you have to say about this?</p>
<p>lol well, Cornell is also clearly superior to Harvard, Yale, and many other prestigious schools in Engineering. i think this was a widely accepted fact, even by EAD.</p>
<p>OMG, Weill Cornell. Guess you’re not as sophisticated as you think, EAD, if you haven’t heard of it. Clue: It’s a major medical center, just as world-famous as Duke’s medical center.</p>