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<p>My high school team could beat Duke. I doubt many Duke students have that much school spirit when it comes to football. Duke's an awesome school, but the students there are confused. They dont know whether they should act more like snooty New England prep school students or Southern party hardy frat and sorority kids.</p>
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I am laughing out loud reading all of the posts in this thread. Throw a little chum in the water and the Duke haters start thrashing and competing to see who can post the most negative things about Duke. Very, very entertaining stuff.</p>
<p>Oh sure you didn't expect to get a lot of negative comment. LOL. The only obnoxious behavior you get from the Michigan backers here are in response to obnoxious comments made by, it seems, mostly obnoxious Duke backers.</p>
<p>No lie that Duke football is not very good, but they did beat Northwestern on the road last year, a year when Northwestern won 6 games (including 3 wins in the Big 10) and nearly went to a bowl. There will be a rematch of these two "powers" in September.</p>
<p>Hawkette, your words, they sting! I knew that one was coming when I saw the thread :sigh:</p>
<p>Our loss last year may have kept us from a Bowl, but I'm likely flying out to go to our vindication at Duke this season (my room-mate lives in Raleigh anyway).</p>
<p>And don't brag about it- clearly we threw the match to defend our title ;)</p>
<p>(consecutive losses if you didn't know)</p>
<p>screw duke football. Seriously who cares about football when you have the best basketball and lacrosse teams in the nation.</p>
<p>unalove, I understand what you mean and I realize now that I came across a bit overdramatic in my previous post. I still think that Duke is a phenomenal school, it just seems to me that Duke has a much larger proportion of obnoxious posters vs. normal posters on CC. The posters I view as obnoxious are not the ones who simply have opinions that conflict with mine (such as in the case with you and Mondo); rather, they are the ones who basically refuse to recognize that there are any schools besides Duke that are even remotely worth attending (and express this sentiment in a completely immature way-a good example of this behavior can be found on the Columbia prestige thread). </p>
<p>In the same regard, the people that bash Duke by bringing up the rape scandal (which is completely ridiculous given that no rape occurred), referring to it by derogatory names, etc. arent exactly high up on my list either.</p>
<p>^^ Lacrosse team the best? Hopkins lacrosse team downed Duke twice in the NCAA National finals in 2005 and 2007 by only one point...Downed once again in NCAA Semi Finals 2008 by only one point. </p>
<p>The 2007 game was classic. Trying to avenge your rape scandal. Even i was rooting for you guys, you guys simply deserved it....Hopkins is just a Duke Lacrosse team crusher.</p>
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<p>This is hilarious. Duke hasn't even had the best basketball team in the ACC (the second best conference, no less) over the last several years.</p>
<p>I mean overall not in one specific year or few years smart one. duke is probably second only to ucla in basketball prestige.</p>
<p>It takes massive amounts of money to raise all sports to D1. I gotta give props for Duke for that. Now to make them into national level teams...thats really really really good.</p>
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I didn’t start out writing about Duke with the intention of spurring a lot of negative comment. I started off writing hoping to present Duke anew and in what I considered a more accurate light.
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<p>Hawkette – what “new and accurate light” did you exactly shine on Duke? </p>
<p>Pretty much everything you stated has already been covered by previous posters (no one is going to argue that Duke is one of the top schools in the nation).</p>
<p>Plus, some of the stuff you stated was a bit “embellished” and thus, not so accurate.</p>
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No lie that Duke football is not very good, but they did beat Northwestern on the road last year, a year when Northwestern won 6 games (including 3 wins in the Big 10) and nearly went to a bowl. There will be a rematch of these two "powers" in September.
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<p>Please don’t even compare NU FB to Duke FB (granted, we can’t compare NU BB to Duke BB either, tho, I predict Northwestern BB will make it to the Tourney w/in the next 2-4 yrs).</p>
<p>NU has 3 conference titles over a little more than a decade and has ONE losing season over the past 5 years (when the Coach Walker suddenly passed away).</p>
<p>Duke managed to squeak a win last year b/c NU’s young and inexperienced HC and OC punted the game away, despite the ‘Cats racking up 200 more yds. NU’s coach took points OFF the board – which was a horrible rookie mistake. If it weren’t for that, NU would have won the game. Anyway, w/ a new OC and DC in place, it should be a different story (well, actually, the same story since Duke is 3-7 against NU in the past 10 games).</p>
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Seriously who cares about football when you have the best basketball and lacrosse teams in the nation.
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<p>Hmmm – Hopkins or Syracuse have the best men’s lax team/programs in the nation and NU has the best women’s lax team in the nation.</p>
<p>As for BB – Duke hasn’t sniffed a National Championship in some time.</p>
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duke is probably second only to ucla in basketball prestige
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<p>I would think UNC and Kentucky would have issue w/ that. </p>
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I gotta give props for Duke for that. Now to make them into national level teams...thats really really really good.
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<p>Ahh – we also gotta give props to Duke for lowering its academic standards for FB recruits and the ridiculously low standards it has (for a top private) for its BB recruits (we’re talking mid-900s in the SATs during the 1990’s – which put them squarely in the middle of the ACC).</p>
<p>k&s,
Maybe not necessarily "new" information, but on CC at least with the ubiquity of Duke haters, it might be revelatory that there are some good things about the school. :)</p>
<p>As for your football comments, right on. Duke football stinks and I'd be pretty embarassed if I were a Duke fan. The real story on Tobacco Road this fall is going to be 8 miles away from Duke when the Tar Heels start to become an important factor again in the conference. When will Duke become a factor again? I wouldn't hold my breadth. And perhaps the most remarkable aspect of all of this is that little Wake Forest has done very, very well in football. Go Demon Deacons!</p>
<p>On the basketball front, while Duke has a great brand, I think people on this board have no idea what goes on in the state of Kentucky. They approach their basketball the way that Ohio Staters or Crimson Tide fans approach their football.</p>
<p>The case against Duke (for me):</p>
<p>No chemical engineering program.</p>
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In the same regard, the people that bash Duke by bringing up the rape scandal (which is completely ridiculous given that no rape occurred),
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<p>It's true that some cheap shot about rapists on the campus is irrelevant and in poor taste, but the fact that no rape seems to have occurred does NOT make bringing up the scandal irrelevant. </p>
<p>That case--particularly the way it was handled on campus--has some lessons for everyone. I could understand why it might make people bash Duke. What happened there was wrong. </p>
<p>However, what's somewhat unfair to Duke is that (IMO) what happened there (a rush to judgment, a failure of a campus to observe due process and to use common sense) could happen other places, too--such concern might be warranted at a bunch of campuses. I hope the case serves as a lesson for a lot of institutions, communities, and the press.</p>
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That case--particularly the way it was handled on campus--has some lessons for everyone. I could understand why it might make people bash Duke. What happened there was wrong.
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<p>Do two wrongs make one right? There was plenty of wrongs at Duke **before **the rape scandal. Many did indeed rushed to a negative judgment, but there were deep reasons why the behavior from a Duke athletic did not come as a surprise. Should we forget the hundreds of testimonies in the aftermath of the incident regarding the attitude and activities of a group of mostly white students on campus? </p>
<p>Faculty and students did rush to judgment but they did not only judge a case of rape; they came to a logical and rational conclusion that, based on what THEY knew about the behavior of that type of students at Duke, it was ENTIRELY plausible that the allegations could be true. </p>
<p>Inasmuch as the students were indeed found innocent, the Plantation is still very much deserving of its pejorative nickname among employees and neighbors. </p>
<p>There are indeed some lessons for everyone in the Duke Lacrosse case, but the real scandal to be learned from did not start at a drunken binge at a small house off campus. It has existed for generations within the gilded walls of the school itself. The reactions of the faculty and administration were not based on the guilt of the players but were prompted by the realization of the depth of their own guilt in having allowed a certain sub-culture to permeate the entire campus ... for so long.</p>
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I mean overall not in one specific year or few years smart one.
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Even on that point, you'd be incorrect, "smart one."</p>
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On the basketball front, while Duke has a great brand, I think people on this board have no idea what goes on in the state of Kentucky.
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<p>Are you serious? Everyone in the world knows of Final Four March Madness. Duke is by far one of the most hated teams in basketball (according to CSB Sports on Facebook) and Kentucky, who doesn't know they have an really good basketball team?</p>
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k&s,
Maybe not necessarily "new" information, but on CC at least with the ubiquity of Duke haters, it might be revelatory that there are some good things about the school.
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<p>Hawkette, it's not "revelatory" that Duke is an outstanding and prestigious school with a heck of a lot to offer. Everyone knows that.<br>
And no one bashes Duke itself (the institution). The only bashing that goes on is towards Duke students, who seem to be bound and determined to put down other fine schools, obsess over minute differences in rankings, and believe that because they go to Duke, they are the Second Coming.</p>
<p>Of all the other top 20 schools, I don't see their current students or alumni coming out swinging so strongly to try to prove their manhood or put other schools down. More than a few Duke students have done so, though. They really don't understand the difference between cheerleading one's school and putting down others.</p>
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15. In short, Duke provides an environment that provides the best of so many aspects of the college experience. When inside the stone wall that surrounds East Campus, students invariably think, Wow, I'm so privileged to be at Duke" and that mindset goes with them for the rest of their lives. As a Duke student and a Duke graduate, you're a member of this club, a part of something really unique and really special.
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<p>No more and no less so than any top college. How is this "a case for Duke"? </p>
<p>And how can you argue that being among people with obnoxious and over-the-top school spirit is "the best" college experience?</p>
<p>Haha, Pizzagirl, you know that's not true of NU students. Half of us are ivy-rejects who're are ambivalent about NU ;)</p>