The Case For…D U K E !!

<p>This thread is very interesting and reveals a lot of issues, not only at Duke, but about CC and its regular 'boosters'. The reaction from the Duke administration and faculty to the alleged events regarding the lacrosse team was very, very disappointing and the school and the city of Durham are still involved in lawsuits regarding this. This singular event, and the schools response, has damaged Duke's reputation to a degree that it will take a generation to recover.</p>

<p>FWIW, I have trained and worked at a bunch of major academic centers and have visited many more. I would honestly say, for whatever reason, that Duke alumni are the most annoying 'homers' when it comes to their school. I hate to lump all alumni into one big group, but it is to the point where i wonder what the f**k is in the water near Durham that they make the blue KoolAid from.... As a Penn guy, it pains me to say that even Princeton students and alumni, for crissakes, are not as intolerable as 'Dookies'...</p>

<p>I've been to the Hopkins-Duke lacrosse NCAA Semi-finals game. Just peeing in the bathroom at Gillete Stadium was awkward, tense, and uncomfortable. Like when Dook fans say "Hopkins suck", they really meant it. I kinda felt scared by all these Duke fans. Thank God for this little 5 year old that stuck up to the face of all the Duke fans in that bathroom and told them the truth. ::In a cute angry 5 year old voice:: "No, you suck! Duke sucks my $#^@&." The entire bathroom went completely silent and I zipped up my pants and was like: "Go Hopkins!" and just darted away.</p>

<p>Syracuse fans on the other hand are far more friendly and not as scary as Duke fans. The school pride is just overbearing so strong, its kinda scary. Like they are going to war against the world or something. Definitely one of the most unusual experiences of my life. Good for you guys, I can't possible imagine myself rooting for Duke. Just impossible.</p>

<p>^ You know what they say about homophobes...</p>

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Maybe not necessarily "new" information, but on CC at least with the ubiquity of Duke haters, it might be revelatory that there are some good things about the school.

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<p>Hawkette - everything good about Duke as been covered ad nauseum (and yes, there is plenty of that), but I think you are perhaps being blinded as to why there appears to be so many Duke "haters".</p>

<p>Could it possibly be assertions like "Duke has the best basketball and lacrosse"?</p>

<p>No one is going to grumble or refute the notion that Duke has one of the top men's BB programs (certainly in the top 5), but the best? Heck, they haven't been the "best" team in years.</p>

<p>As for lax - yes, Duke has a very good program, but it's going to take a no. of titles before anyone puts them up w/ Hopkins or Syracuse (on the men's side).</p>

<p>Heck, if there were as many pompous/obnoxious Stanford posters - I'm sure there would be Stanford haters as well.</p>

<p>"Like when Dook fans say "Hopkins suck", they really meant it. I kinda felt scared by all these Duke fans."
If that scares you, never go to a Michigan-Ohio State football game...especially in Columbus...thought I just had to add that, b/c "you suck" is about the nicest thing I've ever heard from an Ohio State fan (college age) at a football game, minus maybe 1 or 2 exceptions.</p>

<p>"Could it possibly be assertions like "Duke has the best basketball and lacrosse"?" I think this assertion is fair enough to argue. In terms of student basketball experience and exposure on ESPN, I would probably have to say Duke is unmatched. They've recently put a ton of guys in the NBA. Duke also has a very strong reputation for strong lacrosse; I see many lacrosse players wearing Duke lacrosse T-Shirts, and whether the program is one of the nations strongest or not, I think you have to agree its one of the most well-known to the average person. I don't see what's wrong about having a little pride. I mean, The Victors proclaims Michigan "the leaders and the best." This isn't referring to football or even sports but U of M in general, yet its just a fight song. Is U of M the best? Probably not overall academically and judging from the offenses starting lineup next year, probably not in football. Yet the Victors is still proclaimed as one of the best fight songs, and U of M still takes pride in it and nobody really cares b/c on average is basically is one of the best.</p>

<p>I think basketball kind of contributes to a hatred toward Duke...if you look on a facebook app that shows ppl's listed favorite school and most disliked school, I think Duke doubles up the next-closest most hated school in votes. The same thing happens with the Yankees. When you are good people will become jealous. I'm noticing its even starting to happen to the Pats, who were, at least among my friends and acquaintances, one of the most loved sports teams in the past couple years.</p>

<p>A lot of this was kind of random but its kind of late, point is, I've met a lot of amazing people going to Duke and I hope people on CC don't get a negative impression of the university from a few trolls or an elitist reputation. As all the other schools mentioned, it is a great institution. What the OP originally said I believe should be taken just as written, a case for going to duke, which I believe is an appropriate thread on a college search forum considering how often duke seems to turn up on CC.</p>

<p>^ actually ucla has the better basketball team. it has won most ncaa division 1 basketball championships, far more than duke has.</p>

<p>UCLA has a better basketball team because they're better than Duke now. Westbrook, Shipp, Love and Collison would've kicked Duke's ass this year. </p>

<p>You can't use history as a gauge for current success.</p>

<p>It's like saying the Packers are better than the Pats because they've won more Super Bowls.</p>

<p>What does D U K E mean, anyway? Duke, Utah, Kentucky, and Earlham? ;)</p>

<p>okay so can we stop saying that duke is not the best at BB/lax- yes we KNOW duke is clearly not as good as UNC at BB this year and doesnt have many titles to prove their lax. </p>

<p>can we get to something helpful concerning the school.</p>

<p>I am a rising HS senior- I have legacy at duke- and a fan of their sports...
the comments made by people have made me think twice about applying to duke- the campus is nice/great academics/school spirit etc</p>

<p>Im honestly not really sure what I'm asking but besides attitude/durham- what are the negatives of duke</p>

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and doesnt have many titles to prove their lax.

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<p>Let's just reiterate the fact that Duke has NEVER won an NCAA title in men's lacrosse:</p>

<p>Team Championship Record Winning Years
Syracuse 9- 5 (0.643) 1983, 1988, 1989, 1990[a], 1993, 1995, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2008
Johns Hopkins 9 - 9 (0.500) 1974, 1978, 1979, 1980, 1984, 1985, 1987, 2005, 2007
Princeton 6 - 2 (0.750) 1992, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001
North Carolina 4 - 1 (0.800) 1981, 1982, 1986, 1991
Virginia 4 - 4 (0.500) 1972, 1999, 2003, 2006
Cornell 3 - 3 (0.500) 1971, 1976, 1977
Maryland 2 - 7 (0.222) 1973, 1975
Navy 0 - 2 (0.000)<br>
Duke 0 - 2 (0.000)<br>
Loyola (MD) 0 - 1 (0.000)<br>
Towson 0 - 1 (0.000)<br>
Massachusetts 0 - 1 (0.000)</p>

<p>And I hope they never do.</p>

<p>Duke does seem to get a lot of bad press here on cc. I don't understand it either. Yes, Durham has some "bad" sections. Most cities do. Durham also has some good restaurants, an interesting historic area, a great mall (streets at southpoint), a fun baseball team (Durham Bulls), and good weather.</p>

<p>Many people who berate or belittle this institution have no direct experience with it. Some of us do have kids who went there for four years, just graduated, and had a wonderful experience. Could be that we are in the minority? ;)</p>

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I don't understand it either.

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<p>Then you need to skim these boards a little more often.</p>

<p>duke is overrated</p>

<p>Hi beefs,</p>

<p>I am not sure what your comment means. :confused:</p>

<p>I have seen lots of negative opinions based on a perceived "reputation" from students (and parents of students) who attend different institutions who really haven't spent much time on campus or in Durham. Many have expressed very negative reactions based on a single short campus visit, or they reiterate something negative they read on a college blog or from a college tour book.</p>

<p>In reality, most of the student comments (from actual Duke students) are fairly positive.</p>

<p>Many negative comments about Duke here on cc are from high school students who haven't visited any campuses. </p>

<p>In addition, negative comments about an institution often come from students who were rejected from a particular institution, or personally made a decision to attend elsewhere. For some reason, they feel the need to continuously berate the institution where they did not attend, or where they personally chose not to apply. Maybe when they spew negative (often unsubstantiated) opinions, it somehow validates their decision.</p>

<p>I have to be honest, the only unsolicited negative comments I see about Duke tend to be about the desirability of the town of Durham compared to other locations with top 20 schools. Other than that, the negative comments I see about Duke on this forum tend to be <em>in response</em> to Duke boosters being super-aggressive with How Wonderful Their School Is and how anyone not in a top 20 school couldn't possibly be all that smart or hard-working and trying to parse out minute differences in ratings (as if Duke vs Cornell or vs Columbia is really a "meaningful" argument anyway -- there's no better, there's just different). </p>

<p>Many school boosters are quite able to say, "This is why I liked my school. It was really special to me because xyz. But hey, those other schools, I bet they're great too -- just not for me." There are quite a few Duke boosters who feel compelled to assert Duke's superiority (even over fellow top 20 spots!), and <em>always</em> counsel an inquiring student to go to Duke "because it's so much better" as opposed to providing useful info for the student to make a decision. That type of attitude engenders resentment and that's where the anti-Duke comments tend to come from.</p>

<p>I don't understand how people can form opinions on schools based on what people post on a college discussion forum. How many students from any given school post here on a regular basis? 10, maybe 15 at the most? Duke, for instance, has about 1,600 kids in every incoming class. You'll find a lot of very different types of people here like you would on any given college campus. There are hippies, math nerds, jocks, artists, humanitarians, greeks, etc. etc. The three qualities that seem to be apparent in every Duke student is incredible loyalty to their school, great social skills and a love of civic engagement.</p>

<p>The social aspect of the student body here is something I feel that separates from every other top 10 school, except maybe Northwestern. Although they are serious about their education and have a love of learning, most Duke students are very "normal" and enjoy discussing regular topics like sports, movies, pop culture, the opposite sex, etc. I honestly feel that most Duke students can relate with almost any type of person out there in the world.
This might be too much of a generalization, but I think for the most part Duke students enjoyed their high school experiences a lot more than their Ivy League counterparts. While many of their Ivy League peers were disillusioned by the "popularity and athletics-infused" culture that pervades most American high schools, most Duke students embraced it. So when it came down to college selection, Duke students were looking for an environment that perhaps replicated high school to an extent but also had the refinement and opportunities that characterizes most elite schools.</p>

<p>I recently read the article "The Disadvantages of an Elite Education" by William Deresiewicz. After reading it, I knew I could be comforted by the idea that Duke students would never experience these sorts of "negative side effects" that Deresiewicz and his fellow Ivy grads do. Maybe Deresiewicz can't hold a simple conversation with his plumber, but I for sure can. So can nearly all Duke grads for that matter. Maybe this is the hidden advantage of going to a school which has an extremely socially apt student body who can communicate with people from all walks of life with equal ease. That's why Duke grads succeed at such a high frequency in the business, law and medical world.</p>

<p>On a tangent, I also want to reiterate each person can be a good fit at many schools like unalove said. Believe it or not, the other school I was most keen on attending before college decisions came out was the University of Chicago. Although I enjoyed my high school experience, especially the social aspect, I really wanted to experience a more intellectual environment in college where I could discuss nerdy ideas and the importnat issues of the time with people that cared. I ended up being waitlisted and didn't get in(lol). However, what turned me off about Chicago at the end was the anti-social nature of the student body. I love discussing subjects like philosophy, politics and math but there's no way I could spend my Saturday nights playing Risk(a pretty fun game though) instead of chilling with some guys, meeting girls and getting my drink on. This might be a slight exaggeration but this is the general vibe I got from campus. However, I still think Chicago would be a great fit for me for the most part.</p>

<p>Bottom line: All the top schools are unique yet different in many ways, so go actually visit the campus yourself and go with your gut feeling. Block out the CC banter.</p>

<p>P.S.: The only school among those Pizzagirl listed that I truly think is not at the same level of Duke is Michigan. Cornell and Chicago might have weaker student bodies but their reputation is definitely on par with Duke's.</p>

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Cornell and Chicago might have weaker student bodies but their reputation is definitely on par with Duke's.

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<p>Keep on believing that big boy.</p>

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I think for the most part Duke students enjoyed their high school experiences a lot more than their Ivy League counterparts.

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<p>Comments like that are the reason you get Duke haters on this board. I find it incredibly amusing that you clearly don't see why that's so.</p>

<p>EAD, could you perhaps imagine that you think is so special about Duke applies to most schools discussed in these forums? </p>

<p>I wish you'd understand that EVERY one of your "Duke is so special" or "What separates Duke from [fill the blanks] is met by dozens of ... shaking heads and expressions of disbelief. </p>

<p>You won't find many astute observers who will deny that Duke is one of the most prestigious shools in the United States. However, prestige is a very subjective matter when it comes to individual tastes. </p>

<p>For every example you have provided, others could offer their own which may not necessarily echo yours. While you mention how happy and engaged students are at Duke, others (when visiting) have reported how striking the absence of SMILES were on campus. Different folks, different strokes. </p>

<p>Please accept the fact that, despite being absolute true to you, not everyone shares your conclusions. If Duke has been a fantastic experience for you, power to you! While that is wonderful, why is it so important to you to correct the opinions of others and superimpose yours on what seems to be different opinions? </p>

<p>I wish you'd see how your repeated efforts to defend your school (and attack others) simply reinforce the most negatives stereotypes that exist about Duke. </p>

<p>Duke might be the new Shangri La for certain students but also could be hell for others. This is not different from what happens at EVERY school in the country. Not everyone is made for Duke and not everyone can be accepted as only 40% are accepted in the early decision round and a bit more than 20% overall. </p>

<p>Be happy about your good fortune but do not try so hard to convince others they made a mistake by not picking Duke or even considering it. </p>

<p>You're not helping your school! You do NOT want to emulate the obnoxious regional recruiters who do not know when to stop bragging.</p>

<p>Duke is NOT any more special than any other great school. When did I say that I was? This is a thread focused on discussing Duke's strengths and I just provided my input on what I love about the student body. I think I know at this point that I can't change anyone's opinions, especially on this forum. I just don't want high schoolers to be misled into thinking that Michigan is right on par with Duke and there's no difference between the two schools, when all the objective data points to the contrary.</p>

<p>What negative stereotypes exist about Duke? Feel free to enlighten me.</p>

<p>Aparently Duke students think they're cooler than all the other top 20:</p>

<p>"I think for the most part Duke students enjoyed their high school experiences a lot more than their Ivy League counterparts. "</p>

<p>See now?</p>