<p>"I highly doubt admitting 200 more students will make Duke lose its highly selective image."</p>
<p>Cannot lose what you don't have.</p>
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Duke's acceptance rate is most definitely lower than Cornell. 18 vs. 20 percent for the class of 2012.
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<p>even based on the data you're going by (which is early data collected by a private consulting firm anyway) original number Duke had was supposed to be 19%. (you don't round down 18.8%; )</p>
<p>Why are you arguing over this minute detail. Are you convincing yourself you made the right choice by choosing Cornell? </p>
<p>Also, I'm not going by 18 or 19 percent. I'm going by the raw data of admits/applicants. And the results in slightly below 20 percent.</p>
<p>I don't attend duke. I could care less what their admissions committee does, but I'm just showing you the numbers.</p>
<p>well, my original claim stands that you can't say Duke is more selective based on any kind of data. i used the official data from collegeboard (in which cornell had lower rate), and you came up with some early data for class2012 collected by a private firm, and even with that data, the difference was measly 1%. </p>
<p>so i just want these dukies to stop making fun of other schools and claim they are extremely selective more so than any other top 15. cuz it's not "extremely more" selective like you guys seem to think. it's nowhere near Brown's 12-13% acceptance rate, and i think some duke student was belittling brown as well.</p>
<p>and why the heck am i supposed to convince myself i made the right decision for choosing cornell over duke? even based on that NYT school selection data so many ppl seem to link in CC, cornell was selected more often than duke when students were given the choice between the two so apparently i'm not the only one who's done that.</p>
<p>all im saying is, all this mockery on other schools from duke students in CC are totally uncalled for.</p>
<p>Who cares? Acceptance rates tell you absolutely nothing about the underlying quality of the students and the educational and social experience at each school.</p>
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Also, I'm not going by 18 or 19 percent. I'm going by the raw data of admits/applicants. And the results in slightly below 20 percent.</p>
<p>I don't attend duke. I could care less what their admissions committee does, but I'm just showing you the numbers.
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<p>Using the raw data is a good idea; understanding how the numbers are compiled it even better. If 200 students are culled from a waiting list, the numbers of admitted students will increase by a LARGER number. </p>
<p>Unless you think that everyone who is accepted from the WL will drop the school he has sent a deposit and that nobody has made different plans. </p>
<p>WL admissions help the yield at Duke but they are not miracle workers.</p>
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Who cares? Acceptance rates tell you absolutely nothing about the underlying quality of the students and the educational and social experience at each school.
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<p>Humm! Do you think that the Cornell PR machine is (and will be) hiding the fact that the admission rates has dropped from the mid-30s to the 20s in a matter of a few years as changes were made in the application methods?</p>
<p>The data was not collected by a private firm. The website simply copied the data from the various colleges' websites. These numbers don't come out of thin air. </p>
<p>Also, the data from the NYT is highly biased towards New Englanders since that's where the surveys were conducted. It would make sense that Cornell would be more prefered to a Southern school. Even with that survey, duke loses only VERY slightly to Cornell. </p>
<p>I am certainly not asserting whether duke is more/less selective than Cornell. I really don't care about that.</p>
<p>These threads always devolve into Duke vs. Cornell threads. The fact of the matter is they're both great, and it's rediculous to say that one is better than the other (or that one is significantly more selective than the other).</p>
<p>"Unless you think that everyone who is accepted from the WL will drop the school he has sent a deposit and that nobody has made different plans."</p>
<p>Even if 250 or 300 students are ultimately admitted off the waitliest (which is highly unlikely) That would increase duke's admit rate by another fraction of a percent. Oh the pain!</p>
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<p>As a Dartmouth student, I think it's only fair for me to point out that Dartmouth is a far more ragey school than Duke. It's pretty well known that we have the most complete Greek system and social life out of all of the Top Private Schools in the country. Now of course, state schools in the SEC are a different story...</p>
<p>^ I hear not many people can drink like Darmouth students.</p>
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<p>Hilarious. You say that there are more 'throw-in' applications at Ivies, thus lowering the acceptance rates among ives. Yet, you can argue that Duke gets a lot of 'throw-in' apps too, because of its famous basketball program and other good athletic programs with high-level academics. Also, Duke has a big rep as a big party school in warm southern region, all of which may trigger many to apply to Duke for the heck of it, thus lowering its acceptance rate. But, the bottom line is that Duke's yield is 40%, similar to other schools like Cornell, NU, UChicago, etc. I don't think anyone can assert, with firm certainty, that Duke is academically superior to schools like Cornell or even it has "stronger" student body. I would conclude that Duke, Cornell, JHU, NU, and many others are similar in quality of academics, student body, etc. thus peer schools. On the other hand, I freely concede that HYPSM, Columbia, and few others are a notch up above Cornell, hands down.</p>
<p>I don't know that I would say Columbia is above Cornell "hands-down." Think of how many throw-in apps Columbia gets because of its location. And Columbia's students' stats aren't that much higher than Cornell's - certainlynot enough to say it is "hands down" a notch above.</p>
<p>I agree 10 char</p>
<p>This is from the comments following the Rolling Stone article:</p>
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<p>I graduated from Duke in 1997. Although this seems like ages ago, the culture to which the article was referring was going strong when I was an undergrad and has likely flourished since. It’s interesting to read all the angry emails contesting that there is no dating scene at Duke, for that seems to be a smaller, secondary point of the article. The perversion of the female sense of self and struggle to be accepted, desired and happy among the women on the Duke campus is the primary issue at hand in the piece.</p>
<p>Duke men and women are high achievers, no doubt, and from the first day they arrive on campus they are told point blank by the administration and each other that they are “the elite”. This club of mutual admiration and self promotion takes generally hardworking teenagers and turns them into young adults with a hefty sense of entitlement. I chose to come to Duke over MIT due to the large dose of financial aid Duke granted me, and remember how dumbstruck I was on my arrival at the attitude of so many around me. There is precious little humility at Duke.</p>
<p>Now, of course there are individuals and large groups of students who excel in being human beings and give a lot to their communities. Certainly most grads will go on to complete a fine education and do something good with their lives. But there is a darker side to the place, and perhaps on every high achieving college campus. Young women seem to be losing themselves in the dizzy-drunk world of expensive clothes, designer salads and resume building. It’s clear that many of them cling to acceptance by men as a touchstone, something to set them apart and anchor them in the total meaningless of it all.</p>
<p>I did well at Duke academically, joined a sorority, became rush chair, then dropped out after a rather nasty period of disillusionment with it all. Eventually I found an off campus niche of real people living real lives I could relate to. But I would not recommend Duke to my son and and I would actively steer my daughter away from the place. I see it as one example of many traps in society today, where all the wrong traits are emphasized and all the wrong things are praised.</p>
<p>I still wonder if I wouldn’t have been a better, stronger woman had I gone to MIT.
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<p>This is obviously meant to incite argument. Such blatant propaganda against duke. </p>
<p>They are obviously doing something right if they have the 3rd (maybe second) highest alumni giving rate among national universities. Clearly this guy's experience is not the norm.</p>
<p>First of all, it's a girl. And I think she brings up some excellent concerns. Concerns that might not be present to such a degree at a more low key school like JHU or Chicago. The very types of schools that Hawkette doesn't like to give favor to.</p>
<p>And second of all, even if it has an extremely high alumni giving rate, it doesn't mean that Duke offers the best environment for all types of students. In fact, I would argue that Duke tends to attract the type of student who is inclined to give money to their alma mater, no matter what school they attend.</p>
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<p>I remember you ripping on Brown on other occasions too, but can't remember for now. So, I guess you changed your opinion about Brown, now, after learning that Brown is more selective than Duke, and theoretically, has a 'stronger' student body than Duke?</p>
<p>CayugaRed, at any school you will find very disgruntled alma mater. Especially when the person did not want to attend the school originally. I'm not saying that her points are to be discredited, but suggesting that this type of behavior is the norm is a heavy indictment against Duke.</p>