<p>Google is my enemy. I will try my best to defeat it. Microsoft is my friend.
Anyway.
So what is your motive here?
I think we can have someone add an excerpt of your kind reminder on the FAQ.</p>
<p>My sister’s husband works for Google. Ooh ahh!</p>
<p>:) your brother-in-law should work for me later! LOL
My business => quantum cloud computing.</p>
<p>This is like a bad episode of Glenn Beck.</p>
<p>Gotta love homer.</p>
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<p>That’s redundant.</p>
<p>@Homer You should probably try to find a job or get a life. You are constantly on here posting obscure articles about how awful the job market is for engineers. Someone disagrees with you, then you google and find another article that helps you point. Must be a tough life of using google and “trying to help us” prospective engineers realize our future career fields are dead-ends.</p>
<p>Get a job,life, girlfriend (or boyfriend). I think most of us are sick of your tired threads.</p>
<p>So should we ‘radicalize’ the immigration law and ban everyone?</p>
<p>Honestly, all of you guys have good arguments. It’s life. (makes me sad too) Wish me luck and good luck to you to.</p>
<p>I wonder how many of those resumes Google receives are from non-citizens?</p>
<p>We bring the best and brightest from other countries to build their own lives and contribute to the progress of our country. They also compete with us for jobs.</p>
<p>I work with many immigrants and it makes for an enjoyable work environment.</p>
<p>I’m not sure who’s worse. </p>
<p>Homer,</p>
<p>or the people who act like this isn’t the worst job market since the 30s.</p>
<p>I’ll take the job market of the 1930s over today’s. At least back then there was no such thing as outsourcing and you could get a job with the CCC or one of those New Deal agencies. In full disclosure, I’m a HUGE fan of FDR. </p>
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<p>“We bring the best and brightest from other countries to build their own lives and contribute to the progress of our country.”</p>
<p>The people coming in are not the “best and brightest.” They are average people doing average work. Some may very well be the best and brightest, but most are not. In fact, if you review the data from DOL, most H1B visa workers are doing entry level work.</p>
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<p>[Citation Needed]</p>
<p>Here you go:</p>
<p>[Index</a> of /~matloff/Archive](<a href=“http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Archive/]Index”>Index of /~matloff/Archive)</p>
<p>Scroll down and read the 3 links titled “NotBestAndBrightest.txt”</p>
<p>One lobbyist who supports more H1B visas flat out admitted that they are not the best and brightest:</p>
<p>“Stuart Anderson, executive director for the National Foundation for American
Policy, which is in favor of boosting the H-1B cap, counters that theres a
much more prosaic explanation for why the median worker on an H-1B visa isnt
paid more: Most visa recipients are just starting their careers he tells
us.”</p>
<p>So if these people have little to no real world experience, I don’t see how they can possibly be the best and brightest.</p>
<p>Now for the DOL Data:</p>
<p>"Level I is defined by the Department of Labor as for “beginning level employees who have only a basic understanding of the occupation [and who] perform routine tasks that require limited, if any, exercise of judgment.” Workers at Level II “perform moderately complex tasks that require limited judgment.” Clearly, neither Level I nor II is for innovators.</p>
<p>Level III implies more sophisticated responsibilities, but only Level IV suggests that innovators are being hired, workers who “plan and conduct work requiring judgment and the independent evaluation…”</p>
<p>Previous work analyzed H-1B data, finding that most H-1Bs are concentrated in Levels I and II."</p>
<p>For software engineers, only 12% were Level IV and 11% were Level IV electrical engineers. The fact remains that most H1B visa holders are doing ENTRY LEVEL work, which are not positions the “best and brightest” typically hold. </p>
<p>[Center</a> for Immigration Studies](<a href=“http://www.cis.org/articles/2008/back508.html]Center”>H-1Bs: Still Not the Best and the Brightest)</p>
<p>“So if these people have little to no real world experience, I don’t see how they can possibly be the best and brightest.”</p>
<p>Am I the only one who sees the flaw in this statement?</p>
<p>I respect Homer for his persistence and that he never made up statements without a source!</p>
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<p>Yes. This is true H1B’s are not really paid the prevailing wage and they help add supply to the US labor market and keep down wages. Say what you want but IBM, Wipro, Infosys, and others are importing H1B workers not because they are more talented but because they are cheaper and help the bottom line. This is capitalism and we can’t really have the benefits of capitalism without its costs.</p>
<p>Do you have a non-biased source? Karloff is all you use for everything.</p>
<p>That meant to say “Matloff”</p>
<p>One source does not a case make. Are there H1B workers who get hired over more qualified candidates? Sure. Is it the norm? You have yet to show me compelling evidence to that effect.</p>
<p>In fact, the post you made to start this thread didn’t even support your claim. Those postings were a tiny number among all job postings, and all they said is that they would support H1B visas, no that they were only looking for H1B visas.</p>
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<p>The ones that I work with fall into the best and brightest category. But then that’s true of most of the people that I work with.</p>