The Dirty Truth About Tech Jobs

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<p>One thing many American CS/ CE majors do not know is that, at many companies, they will not be hired because they don't have an H!B visa. As you will see below, many tech companies only hire H!b visa holders because they work for less. All of these ads come from dice.com:</p>

<p>ATG Developer + Full time + H1B/GC sponsor by client
Hingham, MA </p>

<p>Benefits:</p>

<p>H1B and GC sponsorship. Flexible work hours.</p>

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<p>Oracle PL/SQL Developer up to $100k H1B Visa Transfer Available</p>

<p>Our client will do H1B Visa transfers!</p>

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<p>Technical Recruiter/Account Manager - H1-B/Green Card Sponser
Alpharetta, GA </p>

<p>We will transfer the H1-B. We will sponsor the Green Card also.</p>

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<p>SR JAVA - H1B's MOST WELCOME!
Lansing, MI </p>

<h2>DO YOU HAVE AT LEAST 3 + Yrs remaining on your H1B? Why not have a direct client take on your H1B?? </h2>

<p>Looking for H1 VISA Transfer?</p>

<p>The company is more than 15 years old in the field of Information Technology 2) The company is willing to pay for your H-1B Visa </p>

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<p>Now even though the job ads dont' say flat out "US Citizens need not apply" for legal reasons, anytime you see job ads put such a strong emphasis on H!b visas, one can safely assume that US Citizens won't be considered.</p>

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<p>How do I change the channel on Homer? I watch the same old reruns everyday…</p>

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<p>People need to see reality, not just the fluff pieces the media runs.</p>

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<p>Citation?</p>

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<p>The ads are totally misinterpreted.</p>

<p>The H1B process is very costly both in terms of time and money. It usually takes 1 to 3 years to go from H1B to permanent resident. It almost always involves one or more lawyers depending on the size of the company. As usual, the US government is never a joy to deal with through out the process, lots of rules, lots of paper work.</p>

<p>In a tight job market, very few employers want to deal with H1B employees because they take too much resource. The ads are actually a good sign of more tech jobs opening up because more employers are willing to deal with the trouble.</p>

<p>I have hired and worked with several H1B employees. They do not get pay less than US citizens or permanent residents. This is from personal experience not from the media. The reason I had to hired H1B employees is because I had a hard time finding enough qualified people to fill the openings.</p>

<p>But if I had to choose from 2 equally qualified applicants, citizens or permanent residents will always win because H1B is so much work to deal with.</p>

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<p>“The reason I had to hired H1B employees is because I had a hard time finding enough qualified people to fill the openings.”</p>

<p>Maybe you were not paying enough. Or maybe the job requirements were too strict. Bill Gates is always complaining about a shortage of engineers, but Microsoft gets nearly 100 resumes for each open position!</p>

<p>The fact is that H!b visas get paid less. Back in 03, Siemens laid offer their $98k a year engieners in the US and replaced them with $36k a year ones they got through Tata who were on H1B visas.</p>

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<p>Bill Gates is working at the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation now. He isn’t hiring engineers.</p>

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<p>He is not hiring engineers, but last year he testified before Congress about there being an engineer shortage. He is still involved even though he left MS.</p>

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<p>You wanted a citation? Here you go:</p>

<p>This puts the H-1B at the employer’s mercy, with lower salaries, raises
and bonuses. In addition, the employers love the “loyalty” of the H-1Bs
stemming from this de facto indentured servitude. One immigration
attorney described it well (Dayton Daily News, July 11, 1999):</p>

<ul>
<li> [Attorney Sherry] Neal said foreign nationals may appear to be more</li>
<li> loyal workers because they aren’t as mobile as other in-demand tech</li>
<li> workers. The Immigration and Naturalization Service must give approval</li>
<li> before foreign nationals change jobs—a process that can take six</li>
<li> weeks. “Some of the U.S. workers, they get a job offer and they are</li>
<li> gone in a week,” she said.</li>
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<p>Similarly, Workforce Magazine, a publication for HR executives, pointed
out that from the employer point of view (John Wentworth, Stop-gap
Measures for the IT Staffing Crunch, Workforce Magazine, May 1999):</p>

<ul>
<li> …There are two good things about H-1Bs. First, they allow you to</li>
<li> travel the globe while you identify technical professionals who want to</li>
<li> work in the United States. Second, the H-1B is valid only for the</li>
<li> employer who arranges it. If you bring a technical professional into the</li>
<li> country and he or she decides to jump ship, its likely that the ship he</li>
<li> or she will have to jump on is the one thats going back to the home</li>
<li> country. If the person wants to come back, he or she has to start the</li>
<li> immigration process all over again. As a result, most H-1B visa holders</li>
<li> demonstrate remarkable loyalty.</li>
</ul>

<p><a href=“http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Archive/SpecterBill.txt[/url]”>http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Archive/SpecterBill.txt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>This use of the euphemism loyalty for the indentured status of H-1Bs is also used repeatedly by an international recruiting firm, Hi-Tech US (<a href=“http://www.innes-consultancy-plus.co.uk/whoarewe/hitechus.htm[/url]”>http://www.innes-consultancy-plus.co.uk/whoarewe/hitechus.htm&lt;/a&gt;), whose Web page notes: </p>

<p>There are also a number of other additional benefits in recruiting outside the USA:
Loyalty: Research has demonstrated that foreign nationals prove to be more loyal and will not jump from company to company. Coupled with the fact that most tend to be tied to a 3-year work Visa. </p>

<p>Control wages: Unrealistic wage increases can be brought back under control by recruiting outside the USA as you are helping the critical resource shortage not adding to it. </p>

<p>Reduce Relocation costs: Research has shown that the cost of relocating a foreign national is typically less than relocation someone within North America. When considered with the loyalty and control of wages above then the cost saving can be significant. </p>

<p>Similarly, in a September 24, 2000 article on [Breaking</a> News, Weather, Business, Health, Entertainment, Sports, Politics, Travel, Science, Technology, Local, US & World News- msnbc.com](<a href=“http://www.msnbc.com%5DBreaking”>http://www.msnbc.com), <code>The Catch-22 of Coveted H-1B Visas,‘’ an HR director says</code>It’s a way to find really loyal employees.‘’
And in a September 28, 2000 message sent out to the Employment Law Channel (<a href=“http://www.erexchange.com%5B/url%5D”>http://www.erexchange.com</a>), Audra Slinkey says, </p>

<p>The most important benefit [to hiring an H-1B] is that your newly sponsored [H-1B] will more likely stay in your organization longer because of the difficulty in transferring a visa. With turnover rates reaching an all-time high for IT workers, retention is very important factor to consider. </p>

<p>The dissident organization FACE Intel (Former and Current Employees of Intel) states that </p>

<p>[Intel] HR representative Donna Hasbrouck presented to Microprocessor Technology (MT) staff, while J.C. Cornet (VP of MT) and Joseph Krauskoph (Director of Test) [were] present, as how to hire foreign students.
Ms. Hasbrouck told the MT group ``after hiring the foreign student, delay the immigration paper work process, because when they get their greencard we lose them to companies like Sun Microsystems and Silicon Graphics, they pay them about 30% more.‘’ </p>

<p>[Debunking</a> the Myth of a Desperate Software Labor Shortage](<a href=“http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/itrl]Debunking”>http://www.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/itrl)</p>

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<p>OP, you yourself are showing how hard it is to hire a H1B employee.</p>

<p>Usually if there is an opening, there is a need to fill it asap. Hiring a local usually means in 2 weeks the new employee can start working. Hiring a H1B not only can take 6 weeks, there are process and paper work to follow. One time, it took 2 months before my new H1B hire can start. What a big waste of time. Through many personal experience, most employers don’t want to hire H1B unless there is a big need.</p>

<p>But there is a difference when hiring a company to do temp/contract less skill work that have H1B employees, in that case, I don’t have to deal with the process at all. Usually those people are paid less mostly due to the nature of the work.</p>

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<p>“Bill Gates is always complaining about a shortage of engineers, but Microsoft gets nearly 100 resumes for each open position!”</p>

<p>Homer, thats not many…also some of the people applying to those positions have jobs, and also apply to more then one opening…engineers do move to new companies all the time…I would leave the small game company I work, to move to a company like EA, Epic Games anytime.</p>

<p>Also, just because 100 people applied to a open does not mean all those people have the skills to do the work. Hell, Homer you could apply to a engineering opening but you would not get it.</p>

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<p>How about 960,000 resumes a year? Is that a lot? That is what Google gets:</p>

<p>"The company still receives more than 20,000 r</p>

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<p>I don’t know. But I think Homer you should start looking for a job or something. Are you in employment? I know you just graduated, but come on you spend hours every day on google and library to pull out data and references.</p>

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<p>Everyone wants into the top companies. Is it really a surprise at the amount of applications they receive?</p>

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<p>I’ve actually been referred to 2 federal jobs. Just got a referral today for a great paper pushing job at DHS!</p>

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<p>“Everyone wants into the top companies. Is it really a surprise at the amount of applications they receive?”</p>

<p>The problem is that these are the same companies lying about there being an engineer shortage.</p>

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<p>Homer,</p>

<p>Most software engineers would love to work at Microsoft, Google, Apple, Intel, AMD, EA, Lockheed, TI, Yahoo.</p>

<p>That’s why they get tons of resumes each year. I would think someone with an Accounting degree could understand that.</p>

<p>Also why do you use the NY-Times for? They always get things wrong.</p>

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<p>I think that I’d drop AMD from your list.</p>

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<p>BCEagle91, </p>

<p>I could understand that.</p>