The experience of an Ivy reject

<p>marite?</p>

<p>What makes you think she calls? Once in a great while I get a text message that says “chat?”. That is the signal for us to call. They are the only text messages I get. Yesterday afternoon, my phone binged for a text message. I excitedly bailed out of a meeting for one of those rare chances to talk to newmassdaughter. I verified the text message. Advertising from AT&T. I slunk back into the meeting with a frown. </p>

<p>Parents, be forewarned when your kid heads overseas. You will have dreams of free skype chats and 0.002 per minute convention calls. Dismiss those thoughts. Kids these days have cell phones. Outside the US, calling party pays for cell phone calls. Soooo, there go those cheap deals. And heaven help you if they head to a developing country, especially africa, where there are no cheap calling options. Try $1.30 a minute to a Kenyan cell phone…</p>

<p>Oh, did I mention the cost of care packages to UK? I think there’s a wall street bailout hidden somewhere in the shipping charges.</p>

<p>^^I’m embarrassed to say that I once paid >$90 to ship a care package to China.
Also early on I asked what HS NMDd attended. In the meantime, I happened to check the bios of the actors on “The Office” - among Brown, Dartmouth and Harvard grads on the show, 2 went to Newton HS - didn’t specify N or S.</p>

<p>^ we can do better than that. D needed an expensive book last summer, one that she could not purchase in the UK. We used a Border’s 40% off coupon, purchased the book and spouse sent it to D. On the customs form, did wife say “used book, zero value?” No. Did she list the price we actually paid? No. Did she list the cover price? No. She listed the price plus sales tax! D got a bill from the UK customs folks for almost as much as we paid for the book. </p>

<p>Since D’s cover is well blown at this point (but I ask that those that have figured things out not post names), let me say that Newton is wrong. I will also say that smart, creative googling will tell you what you want to know as well as another interesting fact. Or PM me if you want the easy way. :)</p>

<p>^^Nah, I figured it out - congrats to you!!</p>

<p>Same difference, pretty much. Although there’s a new team in the lists:</p>

<p>My High School Class Had More Rhodes Scholars Than Yours</p>

<p>Very impressive.</p>

<p>Well, score one for my (nonexistent) team. :smiley: I did get lots of free Skype calls from overseas. But I admit it was from a developed country.</p>

<p>As near as I can make out our high school has had only one Rhodes Scholar. :)</p>

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<p>South was a bit more of an academic school; North had the trades - both turn out pretty smart kids though.</p>

<p>NMD:</p>

<p>At least she tells you to call. If I did not initiate the calls, it would be complete silence. They’re not terribly forthcoming in person, either. :(</p>

<p>I am concerned that someone who is so inherently snobbish about the “right” schools would commit the grammatical faux pas of using “enthuse”–taint a word, taint SWE (standard written English–it’s first cousin to “irregardless”). Tee hee.</p>

<p>“Well I’ll be dipped.”</p>

<p>Thanks, TheDad, for the chuckle. We should start a thread composed of all the little CCer comments that make us giggle till we spit our coffee out. </p>

<p>Let’s see…I saw one on another thread lately that I still chuckle over:
What “frys my cookies”…</p>

<p>Sorry for the interruption!</p>

<p>SWH, I have a couple of million paid words in print and pretty much know when to conform to a rule and when I can break it. Get paid for maybe a quarter as many words and maybe we can talk. Until then, you may save your concern for other recipients who might be more appreciative.</p>

<p>As for inherently snobbish, I don’t think so. I look at college as an incubator for bringing out a student’s potential, primarily intellectual but in other areas as well. There are scores of colleges where the diligent can get a degree by turning in their assignments and where they’ll seldom have a test that doesn’t involve filling in bubbles on a Scantron form and where a main focus is four years of consuming alcohol. It’s true that I have absolutely no interest in these and if that makes me a snob in your eyes, so be it. </p>

<p>Some of the arguments in this thread have been misplaced and mis-focused, the defensive “my [by implication] smart kid can get a good education at good ol’ State U.” </p>

<p>Why, yes, he or she can and that’s not the point and nobody ever said differently.</p>

<p>Or “my [by implication] perfectly smart kid is going somewhere where he or she will be able to deal with reg’lar folks after graduation,” a self-congratulatory false dichotomy, with an anti-intellectual premise that intellectuals somehow can’t do tasks such as tieing their shoes or talk to the plumber without making fools of themselves.</p>

<p>My experience has led me to believe in “fit” to the core of my being, at least for many students. Different students have different needs to optimize their experiences. Indeed, many students may have relatively interchangeable options; their degrees and experiences will be qualitatively similar after four years across a broad range of options. But for others—and the OP’s D is one—the soup of the intellectual environment is going to make a huge difference. It’s no accident that the most vibrant centers of the Renaissance were the product of the cross-fertilization between many minds.</p>

<p>Student can go to one school and graduate with a 4.0 or close to it, and still not have the educational experience that develops them fully, the result of immersion in atmosphere where everyone else is as smart, as driven, as focused as they are. Sound elitist? You betcha.</p>

<p>Now I’ll go ahead and flip over a hole card: back in the day of search and applications, I met NMD’s daughter. Can I say I know her? Not really. But I observed her over a couple of hours at a dinner table and took her measure. (Sorry, NMD, you and I never discussed this and I’m keeping a couple of serial numbers filed off.) I can think of exactly one other high school student I’ve met over the years who has radiated such intensity and the other, I can tell you, had nowhere near the same sense of self-discipline and focus. She was quiet, perceptive, and considered well what she said before she said it…a contrast to my own D who will just throw stuff out and see what happens, LOL.</p>

<p>Her accomplishments in the intervening years aren’t particularly surprising to me. And back to NMD’s OP, it is perfectly comprehensible to me why she set her sights extremely high, why she was disappointed in her initial rejections, and why she ultimately found U/Chicago to be a splendid experience. If U/Chicago were off her radar screen as a “lesser” option in the beginning due to her local high school culture, then peace be with her…I understand.</p>

<p>I’m “semi-retired” in my ad hoc college advising activities though I still stick around here for a number of reasons. I have two main areas of interest: first generation to college, many of whom are completely lacking in the social capital to navigate the system and even less equipped to map out their options beyond the closest school they’ve heard of, and students like the OP’s D (and mine, for what it’s worth) who are high achievers who need to have options beyond the almost reflexive HYPSM pool. </p>

<p>Research uni, LAC, regional flagship, second-tier state school…there are students for each who will have optimal experiences by going there. To pretend that some schools don’t provide a richer “intellectual soup” for some high-achieving students to thrive in is an exercise self-serving myopia. And so it goes.</p>

<p>MM: yes, but dipped in what? I know what <em>I</em> meant.</p>

<p>The other MM: btw, my Q was “quirky.”</p>

<p>(Waiting for the third MM to chime in.)</p>

<p>TheDad,
I’m always glad to read your comments, and I’m glad that you still stick around. I hope that some day our paths cross IRL. Over the 10 (!) or so years we’ve posted on the college boards, I’ve enjoyed getting to know you, and have appreciated your interest in helping first gen college students.</p>

<p>LOL - I should have thought of quirky having two myself. I was thinking along sexual lines, then went and googled the phrase to see what other possibilities were out there.</p>

<p>No more OT than anthing else in this thread: I found thefreedictionary.com discussion on “enthuse” fascinating. It questioned why some of the “back formation” words, such as diagnose and donate, are commonly accepted while there has been so much resistance to accept enthuse, especially since it dates back to 1827.</p>

<p>NSM, I, too, hope we get to meet some day.</p>

<p>Not to sound completely like a child of the Sixties…but I yam what I yam…about first gen students, my consciousness was raised considerably here on CC and as I took stock of all the advantages my D had in the process compared to some others. The real epiphany came at a meeting of the high school site governance council, where a very bright URM first-gen student sitting next to me said that homework shouldn’t count in grades. I was appalled. (Still am, fwiw.) He said that his aunt lived with them and that she said that as long as she was paying the rent, she could have the TV on loud any time she wanted. It brought home to me, in a tangible sense, the differences between households and attitudes about facilitating educational achievement and the handicaps that some labor under.</p>

<p>I was further knocked back on my heels, just a little, when D once observed that I was pretty hard (academically demanding) as a parent but that if were Jewish I’d be normal and if were Asian, I’d be easy. Stereotypes all, but she had her peers at school to gauge by.</p>

<p>Life is just one big continual educational process, isn’t it?</p>

<p>Correction: I probably have closer to only a million paid words in print, so bit of hyperbole there. Even resume padding borne of sloppiness shouldn’t be countenanced.</p>

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<p>Ah … yes, but Dwight [Rainn Wilson] went to Tufts. Game over! LOL.</p>

<p>Actually, that’s quite a well educated group of actors there on that show.</p>

<p>^^But I don’t believe there are any Rhodes Scholars in the cast…</p>

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<p>And I guess my question is … where have some of you people been for the last 10, 20 years? The pool for really-really-high-achievers-and-smart-students widened past the HYPSM pool YEARS ago. Are we in a time warp or something?</p>