<p>Anyone else feel like UPenn is the forgotten ivy? I mean it’s up there, but it’s not within the Harvard Yale Princeton triangle. Plus a lot of people confuse UPenn with PennState for some reason.</p>
<p>No .</p>
<p>no like penn has recently gotten more popular and the popularity has created a lot of competition. it seems like penn is in a solid forth among ivys.</p>
<p>and who cares if some redneck thinks upenn is psu. im sure that same person cant name the other 7 either.</p>
<p>Forgotten Ivy? Penn has been more popular over the last several years than it ever has in it's entire history. I guess it all depends on who you are talking to.</p>
<p>I would say that Penn and Columbia are tied for fourth. Cornell and Dartmouth are the forgotten ones.</p>
<p>I don't think Dartmouth is forgotton.</p>
<p>I don't think Penn is either. It's 4th among Ivies.</p>
<p>cornell </p>
<p>not ivy</p>
<p>Cornell or Dartmouth are the fourth best Ivies. The fact is that Penn alumni do not do nearly as well as their Ivy brethren when it comes to getting into the top graduate schools. In fact, their showing is quite miserable. There are two dozen small LACs that have better track records. My ranking of the Ivies would have HYP in tier 1, Cornell/Dartmouth, Brown/Columbia in tiers 2-3, UPenn in tier 4.</p>
<p>Penn is very preprofessional - look at the number of people in Wharton, Nursing, and Engineering. The reason not as many people go to grad schol is because not as many people want to.</p>
<p>in my rankings of of people who should leave this forum and go start an suicidal occult, posterx ranks tier 1</p>
<p>Where does posterX go to school?</p>
<p>A community college outside of delhome montana.</p>
<p>They go to grad school; they just don't go to the very top ones (in nearly the same proportion as their Ivy League brethren).</p>
<p>I'm an IR major and I'm pre-proffesional as hell</p>
<p>wrong. 35% of wharton upenn grads come back for their MBA because they dont need to.</p>
<p>you'll note that PennMed is explicitly not surveyed (#3 med school in the country) and it takes a dispropotionate number of Penn undergrads</p>
<p>More importantly though, such rankings do not take into account that 3 of the 4 undergrad schools at Penn train students in fields that lead to students getting jobs straight out of college, and in many cases only pursuing graduate education later on, if at all.</p>
<p>that, and the class sizes listed i believe are for last year's entering class, where Penn overadmitted by a couple hundred students, which is why the number is noticeable. Since the class of '09 obviously has yet to graduate, their ratio is off by a significant margin when one considers how close the rankings are outside of the top 3 or 4.</p>
<p>no UPenn is too public.
25% of U.S's poplulation has a UPenn degree>>got mail from them.</p>
<p>The survey counts those who go to graduate school years after they've graduated from college, not just those who go directly on.</p>
<p>The gap between Penn and most of the other Ivies is so large that there's obviously another reason for it beyond a few statistical points of dispute. And the evidence isn't limited to the Wall Street Journal: if you look at specific items like UPenn's Pre-Law quality (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=177439%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=177439</a>) it doesn't fare very well at all, ranking 27th in the country even if you limit the survey to CAS graduates(!). Do you have any figures to back up your assertion that UPenn is grossly overrepresented at UPenn Medical School?</p>
<p>Simply put, PENN isn't a graduate student producer, it's very career oriented. I see no arguements...</p>